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CANADIAN That will be the new motto in just a few weeks. With the exception of tax payers. Then again, taxes are a small price for power and freedom. If the US makes big profits on this, I hope us canadians shut up about the canadian vs US dollar. - Wed, 19 Mar 2003 8:11pm
Happy Cat I'm happy with the looney! - Wed, 19 Mar 2003 8:16pm
Anonymous How very sad,the U.S. is making money off killing arabs,I am ashamed of my country,the U.S. are going to pay for this some day I hope. - Wed, 19 Mar 2003 8:21pm
Anonymous Are you suicidal? If the US pays for anything it "will" affect you as well. - Wed, 19 Mar 2003 9:05pm
Anonymous Our Protesters�and Theirs
By Chris Weinkopf
FrontPageMagazine.com | March 19, 2003




SOME 20,000 intrepid, peace-loving activists turned out last week to protest against their government, its unjust policies, its war-mongering president and his utter disregard for international opinion.



The protest was held in Kirkuk, Iraq�outside the Baath Party�s main administrative headquarters. The demonstrators were calling for Saddam Hussein�s overthrow.



True, this protest didn�t generate as much attention as the �anti-war� rallies staged last weekend in a Portland, San Francisco, Washington, and elsewhere, where the America-hating left compared President Bush to Adolf Hitler and pleaded for Hussein�s prolonged hold on power, but there�s an explanation for that�beyond the establishment media�s obvious sympathy for the �anti-war� effort, that is.



The main reason we heard little and saw nothing from the Kirkuk protests is that there were no reporters there. The only evidence the world has that the event took place at all is a number of second-hand reports. That�s because Iraq�which assigns an official government minder to shadow every foreign correspondent�doesn�t allow the media access to its dissidents. For that matter, it doesn�t even let foreign correspondents use their own satellite phones to transmit stories back home. That�s how tightly Hussein�s fascist regime regulates the flow of news.



And it�s not as though protests are some everyday occurrence in Iraq, complete with celebrity appearances and a flurry of advance publicity. In Iraq, demonstrating against the president and his regime is a serious crime, the usual punishment for which is extensive torture followed by death.



At great personal risk, opposition forces have become bolder and more vocal in recent weeks because they�re optimistic that Hussein�s reign of terror will soon come to an end. That�s to say, America�s resolve has already made Iraq a freer place, and the liberation hasn�t even started yet.



Still, Iraqi protesters voice their opinions at their own peril.



Last week, in the al-Hurriyya suburb of Baghdad, Hussein�s security forces arrested a civil servant for preparing to flee the country. With war only days away, the government has issued strict orders for all civilians to stay put, the purpose being to drive up the number of innocent casualties after hostilities begin. To make an example of this poor soul, Hussein�s butchers tied him to a street pole and ordered passersby to watch as they cut out his tongue�then left him to bleed to death.



Relatively speaking, he got off lightly. He could have been forced to watch his wife or children get raped and killed, another of the regime�s more creative forms of punishment. Ann Clwyd, a British Labour Member of Parliament charged with cataloging Iraqi war crimes, reports even more ghastly stories of Iraqi abuses�humans dropped into giant shredders and ripped limb from limb, menstruating women suspended by their legs in a barbaric effort to humiliate them.



This is the regime we�re removing, the one from which America�s courageous men and women in uniform will soon be freeing the Iraqi people.



It�s also the regime that America�s �anti-war� protesters regularly take to the streets to protect, nominally in the interest of the Iraqi civilians who stand to die in an invasion. For some reason, the protesting set doesn�t much worry about the Iraqi civilians who die every day under Hussein�s cruel reign. To them, dying for fascism is somehow less tragic than dying for freedom.



This is the same regime America�s protesters hold out as morally superior, or at least morally indistinguishable, from their own democratically elected government.



Of course, it�s easy to make outrageous and morally obtuse statements about your own government in a country that maintains the right to free speech and respects the civil liberties of all its citizens. It�s great sport to denounce your president as a murderer or a fascist when you can rest comfortably knowing that he will never murder you our submit you to fascistic subjugation.



It�s a different story Iraq.



Another anti-Hussein demonstration last weekend, this one waged by Iraqi Shi�ites in the holy city of Kerbala, was �violently suppressed after the intervention of militiamen loyal to Saddam,� according to news reports. In ethnically Kurdish areas, Iraqi forces have been rounding up young men, Gestapo-style, for fear that the Kurds will mount a revolution once the war begins. �There is a campaign to arrest young people, especially at night,� one 21-year-old Kurd told Knight Ridder. �The other day in the Iskan neighborhood, (Iraqi officials) cut the telephones so people could not speak to each other,� claims another.



Yet despite the risks, a good number of brave Iraqis are protesting�and more�hopeful that after a lifetime of oppression, freedom is coming. Saboteurs staged a successful strike last week against the Iraqi railway system. Vandals have begun trashing the ubiquitous Saddam posters that hang on doors throughout the country. Opposition leaders in Kurdish-controlled territories are busily collecting thousands of surrender letters from Iraqi political and military leaders that take effect the moment war begins.



When that happens, Iraqi protesters will tremble in fear while hanging on to hope. American protesters, on the other hand, plan to greet the start of the war by tying up crucial police and security services�services that could be needed in the event of a terrorist attack�by blocking federal buildings, deliberately creating traffic jams and disrupting commerce.



In Iraq, protesters risk their lives to denounce tyranny. They stand in stark contrast to American protesters who risk nothing to preserve it. The day can�t come soon enough when the Iraqi protesters get the freedom they crave, the same freedom America�s protesters take for granted. - Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:07pm
Anonymous STOP FUCKING POSTING THAT! WE GOT IT, WE GOT IT!
Fucking taking away from its content annoying everyone like that. - Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:15pm
Anonymous ok, i'm getting you back for that:

LOL!
Hey check out the bullshit website that shit article came from - the titles of the articles are jokes in themselves: Why the left loves Osama,
Should a patriotic american attend ralies organized by communists?
its almost like its parody! - Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:39pm
HHH I am immpressed. I thought the US military was going to attack full force everything that moved. This war is looking good. Looking like Prez Bush is doing things much better than most of you people on this site have been claiming. Makes me wonder if those of you know anything at all about the US of A after all. - Thu, 20 Mar 2003 1:45am
Carl too late Here's my take on this whole thing:

i don't beleive in war and hate, yet im not naive, i know that saying the whole isnt a perfect place doesnt even begin to describe it.

but then, sadam kills his own people by the masses testing biological and chemical weapons, and what would stop him from using those on anyone else.

but then the americans only seem to do things for their own benifit, look at world war 2, they didnt enter after YEARS of suffering untill it directly affected them, just like now, they need oil why not clear a slab of land that they can get it from.

sadam will not give up power, thus this war i guess is necissary, but they are doing it for the wrong reasons...

i hope this war goes swifty and takes as few innocent lives as possible... - Thu, 20 Mar 2003 2:07am
SweetGrass I'd feel a lot better about the so called liberation of I raq if Bush hadn't just recently started using that as a battle cry to justify his own agenda. If we really want to start liberating oppressed people for the right reasons Iraq certainly isn't the only country that needs help and support...Funny I don't hear Bush wanting to go in and liberate Tibet, North Korea, and Burma just to name a few.
P.S. isn't this a music site??? - Thu, 20 Mar 2003 2:08am
Anonymous "Are you suicidal? If the US pays for anything it "will" affect you as well.",yes,I do hope the US will pay for it's actions,I don't care if it affects me,im not on the US's side,and "Carl Too Late",the US uses chemical weapons on they're own country too,remember the Waco Texas incident,if you don't,look it up,Women and Children were killed during an experiment with some new chemicals. - Thu, 20 Mar 2003 2:25am
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