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| trevor corey User Info... | http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7153814?MSNHPHCP>1=10347 What an utter asshole, him and his cohorts.How anyone could screw up $200 million in such an evil fashion blows my mind. I just wanted to point out that the main reason those dogs were killed was because they didn't want to fight. "Pitbulls" regularily score very well in tests that determine wether a breed is vicious or not, better in fact than Golden Labs, and German Shepards. Yet all that people hear about is the ones that fight. Recently I have heard extremely negative remarks from various people I know regarding their feelings towards "Pitbulls". I am continually shocked by the ignorance of otherwise intelligent people. I am reposting this link to reaffirm that the various "Pitbull" breeds are not inherently evil. It is sad, so be warned. Maybe look away at the 50 second mark, it's safe to look again at 1min 15 sec, look away again at the 1min 53sec mark until the 2min 30 sec mark. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i34CNKi6to&mode=related&search= ......also, check out the comments under the video. - Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:31pm Edited: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:37pm | ||
| CL User Info... | Vick is an overrated player and, apparently, an irresponsible scumbag at the very least. Many ill-informed people have fearfully referred to my dog (a rottweiler-lab-golden retriever cross) as a pitbull when we're out walking. It pisses me off because 1) he's not a pitbull 2) there's really no such thing as a pitbull and 3) the dogs people usually think of as "pitbulls" (some kind of staffordshire cross) are usually gentle, loyal, and good with kids. Bad owners = bad dogs. - Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:48am Edited: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:48am | ||
| Chopper User Info... | Totally agree. Every decade there's a type of dog labelled as bad. In the 70's it was german shepherds, in the 80's it was rotties, in the 90's pitbulls and ikeda's shared the spotlight and pitbulls pretty much took over after that. Personally I think this has a lot to do with what type of dog is popular to own. Pitbulls are a very popular breed, and have been for a while now. So it's natural you're going to hear so many 'horror' stories regarding the breed, because there's always going to be people using that breed for things other than companionship. Dog's aren't born bad, just like people, they're trained/treated badly and that's the effect. An eye for an eye. Make Mr Vick, or any of his ilk, and his cohorts enter a ring and fight over and over until they're as damaged as the sickening images in Trev's link. - Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:45pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | yea no doubt..there goes 200 million dollars. with a few more years experience and a brain transplant he would have been absolutely amazing. 2 bad. as for the dogs..Pretty fucked up. - Sun, 26 Aug 2007 4:20pm Edited: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 4:22pm | ||
| mikey User Info... | Nah, they should let him play.... Then kill him when his performance starts to decline. - Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:06pm | ||
| J User Info... | i hope you guys read the feedback back on that article cuz there are some real fucking stupid people posting there in defence of micheal vick... you'll get a kick out of it, i promise - Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:09am | ||
| Tom User Info... | ...anyone here anything further about DMX and the dozen or so dogs on his property in Arizona that were found to be malnourished? - Tue, 28 Aug 2007 1:20pm | ||
| Jeremy Baker User Info... | mikey, that is raddest spin on this story I have read! :-) I heard on a talk show that he might even get the chance to play pro-ball again after he serves his time. The guy being interviewed was a pro football player from Seattle and he said teams are so eager to win and fans don't *really* give a shit if it means their team will win... so when he gets... don't be surprised if a team takes a chance on him. crazy. - Tue, 28 Aug 2007 5:51pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | who cares. he's a football player, let him play...after they kick him in the nuts reppeatedly for the dog stuff. :) - Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:12am | ||
| Swingin' Joe User Info... | Ofcourse he'll be able to play pro football again, no doubt about it, if he doesn't then it becomes a race issue! Regardless of what he did to those poor dogs, the times we live in. - Wed, 29 Aug 2007 6:32am | ||
| evilkleg User Info... | Ray Lewis is a murderer and he still plays, so Vick will be back. He just didn't roll on his buddies soon enough. The Atlanta Falcons are the biggest losers because they will have to distance themselves from him even after spending so much money to get him in the first place. All the other NFL teams will be eagerly awaiting Vick's return so they can snatch him up for a fraction of what the Falcons paid. I bet Michael Vick will do no jail time, just a hefty fine (and maybe a new jersey!) The thing that pisses me off is that the NFL is more concerned with the alleged gambling over the dogs than the dog fighting itself. - Fri, 31 Aug 2007 2:43pm Edited: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 2:46pm | ||
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| Andrew User Info... | lol once again im going to reppeat..only a stupid person would throw such a career and contract down the drain like that. Only a stupid person. - Tue, 4 Sep 2007 12:08pm | ||
| J User Info... | how could you even think that a team is gunna pick up micheal vick after this? before this fuck up, he a) never showed up to practice, b)expects the world from a team he doesn't even support, c) never trains, d) ran a fucking dog fighting ring(infamous dog fighting ring no less). He's worth about a kick in the ass with a frozen boot. Dont even bring his 1 great year of stats in play. He holds no records; is a dick to all his coaches, expecting them to start him every game. AAAAnd, not to mention that he represents his team about as well as jeremy roenick does with the press... NO FUCKING GOOD. Just because he's on the front of 1 video game doesn't make him a god of football... theres a million other pieces of shit that can catch a ball and run. I hope to never see him play pro football again. And to think a team would even consider him is a sheer joke. - Wed, 5 Sep 2007 2:30pm | ||
| Masturbating The War God User Info... |  -Goldberg said that "from where he comes from" in the South, dogfighting isn't that unusual. "It's like cockfighting in Puerto Rico," she said. "There are certain things that are indicative to certain parts of the country."- I guess that excuses those good ol southern white men too, right Whoopi?! Jesus Farking Christ... Video here http://www.breitbart.tv/html/5231.html - Wed, 5 Sep 2007 2:45pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | Yeah, and in China they skin dogs alive so their adreniline levels go through the roof making their meat "tastier". Fuck that. I don't care what part of the world a person is from. It's only "acceptable" if no one stands up to say it's wrong. Whoopie is just trying to boost her ratings on the View so she can compete with Rosie. Fucking whore. - Wed, 5 Sep 2007 3:56pm Edited: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 3:56pm | ||
| BBJones User Info... | Vick said sorry to the kids at least four times. What more do you fucking people want?!! If your panties are in that much of a bunch about it go see DAJ down in the park and get some advice from him on how to make pointless arguments waste people's time and money. That will teach Vick! - Wed, 5 Sep 2007 4:33pm | ||
| Sati User Info... | You guys, don't shoot the messenger. Or me, cuz I have absolutely no tolerence for cruelty toward animals. But all she was saying is that people of his mindset exist and that dogfighting is more common & generally acceptable where he's from. She didn't say it wasn't wrong or serious or that she agrees with him. Oi, I feel one of my looooong posts coming on! For whatever reason there exist those with very little sensitivity or compassion for animals or people. I remember being blown away once when a guy I knew as a normal enough person, had absolutely NO regard for music. I can't say how alien I find even people like that! But can I fault them for not being like me & those in my world? It just is. I've defended some very cruel natured, mysogenist people on here before and people (in my camp?) have hated me for it, but all I was doing was saying that just cuz what they're into is repulsive from our viewpoint we can't expect them to see the errors of their ways and "be like us" overnight. Especially if kindness & empathy is not part of their natural tendencies and they've never been shown why violence or hatred isn't acceptable. Yes, that could really be a possibility. Continuing to ostracize or stomp them down while they learn their lessons and take babysteps in the right direction just isn't going to help. They'll just figure there's no point to even trying to understand cuz they'll get crapped on either way. I hate this guy for what he's done, but he did look stunned like he just didn't get it. Like no one had ever told him it was wrong - I can imagine a macho football enviro being like that. Maybe these are his lessons and he'll come around once he's shown that dogs hurt just as much as people and how that misery causes a ripple affect. effect? - Wed, 5 Sep 2007 8:08pm Edited: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 8:13pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | Sati, I agree whole heartedly with what you've said. I didn't intend to kick him when he's down, thats for the media so they can get ratings. I still think that Whoopie is just trying to get in on that media. I am normally very accepting of differances, especially cultural. I am just so very much against violent abuse towards inocence. Yes he needs help. I hope he can find it. This has shed light on an evil, and may serve to help in the long run. - Thu, 6 Sep 2007 2:31am | ||
| Dick_21 User Info... | I completely agree with Whoopi. Besides, that's what all dogs do. They fight. I really don't get what all the fuss is about. - Thu, 6 Sep 2007 1:36pm | ||
| Jl User Info... | bbjones... aside from supporting the most irresponsible, selfcentred footballer ever; you seem to miss the point im trying to make... NO TEAM IN THEIR RIGHT MIND would want that plague on their team. Not to mention the team that, if it actually happens, acquires him will be under a microscope for any infractions made by vick. Let alone him already being suspended indefinitely WITHOUT pay. That should send a message to teams looking to aquire "new talent". Michael Vick is one of our generatons most overrated athelete's. Just because his stats in madden 02-04 were thru the roof, its still a video game; if you actually watched him in real life... you'd know that of the time he gets(when he's not benched for being a twat) he blames the rest of the team for his mistakes... that's not exactly what a team needs; especially at the professional level. Now for the dog fighting... it happens. But for someone so high profile to be involved with somthing as tactless as this dog fighting ring; is really beyond me. But then again, born in the hood; always from the hood. THERES NO ROOM FOR LOSERS LIKE MICHAEL VICK. - Thu, 6 Sep 2007 2:25pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | The "fuss" is about cruelty and inhumane treatment of an animal that is considered by most people to be man's best friend. Whoopie is a media whore, just like Daj. - Thu, 6 Sep 2007 5:11pm | ||
| Chopper User Info... | All dogs do not fight you inbred idiot. And If you can't figure out what the fuss is about, head back to the trailer park. - Thu, 6 Sep 2007 5:35pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... |  DON'T BE SUCH A DICK! - Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:46am Edited: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:47am | ||
| dumpstermesh User Info... | "Besides, that's what all dogs do. They fight. I really don't get what all the fuss is about." 21 is your IQ right? These dogs are "trained" to kill each other. They are treated inhumanly and forced to tear each other apart. GROW THE FUCK UP! - Fri, 7 Sep 2007 2:39am | ||
| Andrew User Info... | people are way too sheltered these days. - Fri, 7 Sep 2007 2:46am | ||
| BBJones User Info... | Apparently not, Andrew, or else we wouldn't have 5,000 posts about DAJ and his homeless assholes taking over our lovely parks. - Fri, 7 Sep 2007 8:03am | ||
| Sati User Info... | Trevor Corey: Oh, he does deserve to be kicked over and over again suffering the consequences, but his faults also stand for all of our faults. Its so easy for people to jump on hate bandwagons but there's always a bigger picture. And after this dies down we want people like him to have learned something, not react in defiance causing more pain in insidious ways. But where did this come from "I am normally very accepting of differences, especially cultural"? Did I miss something? I didn't think anyone here was really viewing this as a race issue. Are you implying there's some attacking/defending going on cuz he's black? He deserves all the hate he's getting and even though I'm not crazy about Woopi she doesn't seem that shallow. She does have a fucking annoying name though, ugh. - Fri, 7 Sep 2007 9:49am Edited: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 9:50am | ||
| Sati User Info... | btw, I made a mistake when I used the words "generally acceptable" in that other post, but you know what I meant and as long as we're on the subject of daytime tv, someone needs to forcefeed that blond chick on the regis show a hunk of butter. Whats that 3% bodyfat? - Fri, 7 Sep 2007 9:58am | ||
| Dick_21 User Info... | she's not too thin, she's fine just the way she is. - Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:00am Edited: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:01am | ||
| Andrew User Info... | hahahaha good one bb that was perfect. - Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:39am | ||
| Sati User Info... | well of course she is Dick, and she looks pretty strong & healthy. I just think she'd look & feel better if she relaxed a bit with the workout regime & enjoyed some food. Nothing against naturally thin people, I'm one. - Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:12pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | "But all she was saying is that people of his mindset exist and that dogfighting is more common & generally acceptable where he's from." I wasn't refering to "race", just where he's from. I was also thinking of Chinese and Korean dog meat industry being cultural, yet completly unacceptable. To torture them to death makes me want to go over there and......... The View had huge ratings when Rosie was on there being all controversial, now that Whoopie is coming on as her replacement she has some big shoes to fill, and imo this is some lame attempt at media attentention. Yeah.....nice fricken name. - Fri, 7 Sep 2007 3:21pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | Just to add. My best friend is involved in the Canadian aeronautics industry. The owner of the company he works for, himself, and their interpreter went to northern China for high level meetings with the Chinese to discuss a multi million dollar joint venture, with parts production and airfield construction in China. They went out for dinner at a high end restaraunt one evening with their hosts. The table the all sat at spun around so you could pick your own courses, but in the middle was a "meat" stew that was considered the center piece of the meal. Their interpreter informed them that the meat in the stew was in fact dog. My friend and his boss refused to eat it. Their hosts were so insulted that the entire deal was cancelled. I've never been so proud. - Fri, 7 Sep 2007 3:31pm | ||
| Tambo User Info... | it seems somewhat hipocrictical to be talking about how terrible the dog meat industries are in asia and be accepting of meat markets here. "I have compassion for all living things, not just the ones that are cute" -Gorilla Biscuits. Maybe you don't I really don't know you, so I'm not accusing, just making a point. - Sat, 8 Sep 2007 11:42am | ||
| dumpstermesh User Info... | Guess it depends who you are directing that point to. Trevor is a total vegetarian and isn't all that accepting of the meat markets here. He also has a special place in his heart for dogs. I on the other hand eat meat, but I don't get down on other cultures for eating animals that I personally wouldn't. I have been raised to be your typical north american so though I wouldn't eat dog I can't say that I have a problem with people who do because that is their culture and who the hell am I to tell them how to live. As far as dog fighting goes, I oppose any animal sport that puts them in harms way for our entertainment. That's just disgusting. - Sat, 8 Sep 2007 12:07pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | I'm a vegetarian, and I don't use leather products. - Sat, 8 Sep 2007 12:07pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | I might possibly be more understanding of other cultures eating animals we consider pets, but the Chinese and Koreans torture the dogs and even skin them alive because the increased fear hormones make the meat taste better. Micheal Vick is just an asshole who had no reason to be involved in such barbarism. - Sat, 8 Sep 2007 12:12pm | ||
| Tambo User Info... | Well, it seems we're all on the same page then :). Right on Trevor, I completely support you. Michael Vick is a complete douche, and Mikey's post was hilarious. - Sat, 8 Sep 2007 12:36pm | ||
| Jl User Info... | 'Chinese and Koreans torture the dogs and even skin them alive because the increased fear hormones make the meat taste better' I do take offence to that comment trevor. That would be like me saying all you White people make dogs fight and kill them without even using them for food. TOO GENERALIZED for such a huge population. If you were hard up for food(and you ate meat)... whether its dog, chicken, pig, or lizard... you have to eat. At least take solace in the fact that these animals are being used for food and not for malicious means. And on the contrary(unless you've been there trev) I've never seen or heard of anyone torturing a dog to tenderize the meat... and if you further think about it; when your scared your muscles tense and then contract. Why would you want the animal you kill to have tense muscles before cooking it up? Ideally you want the meat to be tender(Kobe beef). So really that whole torturing the dog thing is kinda hokey. sorry trev. I dont mean to be a dick; but when you attack my culture like that theres not much else i can do but defend it. Same as if your heritage was attacked. Can you sorta see where im coming from? - Sat, 8 Sep 2007 1:44pm | ||
| JL User Info... | and by tenderize i meant add flavour... sorry i tried to edit it but i only realised when it was too late. - Sat, 8 Sep 2007 1:48pm | ||
| Chopper User Info... | As Trevor has shown in another post, he pretty much believes anything he reads. Don't expect a well thought out, intelligent, response. He's not capable of it. - Sat, 8 Sep 2007 2:02pm | ||
| evilkleg User Info... | All of us meat eaters have consumed dog before- we just didn't know it (tastes like chicken!). What you don't know can't hurt you. Just because in western cultures "Fido" isn't considered food, doesn't mean that canines aren't tasty. It reminds me of an interview I read with some of the last surviving cannibals: Question- "How can you continue to eat humans in this day and age?" Answer- "Because they taste good" - Sat, 8 Sep 2007 3:48pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Shit, some people like tripe. There is something for everyone out there. - Sat, 8 Sep 2007 4:06pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | Fuck you Chopper. - Sat, 8 Sep 2007 5:27pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | JI, I sincerley apologise for insulting you. I should not have said Chinese and Korean, I should have said "in" China and Korea. I copied this out of Wiki, "Despite being a socially acceptable practice, the average Chinese does not usually consume dog meat as it is relatively expensive compared to other meat choices and hence generally more accessible to affluent Chinese". For the whole article- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_meat#_note-6 , but I'm sure you're all capable of using google ...........just to add, white people piss me off too. - Sat, 8 Sep 2007 5:33pm Edited: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 5:53pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | "" I do take offence to that comment trevor. That would be like me saying all you White people make dogs fight and kill them without even using them for food. TOO GENERALIZED for such a huge population. If you were hard up for food(and you ate meat)... whether its dog, chicken, pig, or lizard... you have to eat. At least take solace in the fact that these animals are being used for food and not for malicious means. And on the contrary(unless you've been there trev) I've never seen or heard of anyone torturing a dog to tenderize the meat... and if you further think about it; when your scared your muscles tense and then contract. Why would you want the animal you kill to have tense muscles before cooking it up? Ideally you want the meat to be tender(Kobe beef). So really that whole torturing the dog thing is kinda hokey. sorry trev. I dont mean to be a dick; but when you attack my culture like that theres not much else i can do but defend it. Same as if your heritage was attacked. Can you sorta see where im coming from? "" ----- White people have heritage? - Sat, 8 Sep 2007 6:22pm Edited: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 6:23pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Some of us do. The rest were all hatched in England. - Sat, 8 Sep 2007 6:28pm | ||
| Chopper User Info... | 'Fuck you Chopper' I calls it as I sees it you fucking sheep. - Sat, 8 Sep 2007 9:29pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | I was just trying to live up to your expectations. You believe George Bush, and then call me a sheep? - Sat, 8 Sep 2007 9:45pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | hahaha hell im such a mutt where do i start :P im mostly german so technicly my heritage all leads up to death and evil and well, you know - Sat, 8 Sep 2007 10:31pm Edited: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 10:33pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | ahh trevor trevor, i know that you havnt been giving the love to me lately my friend, but you have to realize.....There are three types of people.... choppper's just an asshole, and One day, a dick will come along, and Fuck him. - Sat, 8 Sep 2007 10:35pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | Andrew, lol like I'm sitting on a feather. All this talk of "dicks", "assholes", "fucking sheep", and "giving the love", makes me think Weird Al must be on his way to town. Chopper is just a "dick" sometimes. - Sat, 8 Sep 2007 11:48pm Edited: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 12:28am | ||
| Chopper User Info... | I never said I believed Dubyah. I wouldn't believe a word that came out of his well scripted, yet redneck, mouth. There's a huge difference between fact and theory though. Only fools follow blindly, especially fools that take half baked theories as fact. And yepp Andrew, I'm just an asshole. Thanks for pointing out the obvious. - Sun, 9 Sep 2007 8:58am | ||
| Andrew User Info... | get your head out of the gutter - Sun, 9 Sep 2007 2:10pm | ||
| Dick_21 User Info... | I'm a Dick. I'm certainly not going to deny that. - Sun, 9 Sep 2007 5:59pm | ||
| Sati User Info... | I get ya Trevor. Its downright scary the way when discussions involving race or cultures come up, normally reasonable people can so easily jump to conclusions. I'm including myself, but in a different way: I'm lucky enough not to ever have been victimized that way (that I know of), so racism usually isn't something that I ever suspect, but once in a while I actually worry whether others think I have biases! I think that kind of convoluted paranoia is far more common among us than racism itself. And yesterday a friend said organizations like the NAACP & Sharpeton & Jackson were in fact making a big race issue out of it and I got all pissed off cuz I don't consider those guys all too bright at times. But from a quick google skim of the news, it doesn't look like that was an accurate assessment of whats going on at all. - Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:25pm Edited: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:29pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | Well of course there are race issues, That's what happens when you put -how many- different ethnic groups in a country and expect them all to get along. You can talk all the hippie shit you want but you're going to have "racial issues" because racism isnt gone, people jsut dont talk about it out loud. I work in construction and it is ALL OVER THE PLACE lol. Trust me. So many rednecks. I say use all the racial slurs as much as you can until they have no power. A million less 8 year old girls coming home from school crying because someone called her a "bad" word. - Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:38pm Edited: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:39pm | ||
| Sati User Info... | Yeah, you're right, and that is what I hear. I know my perspective is is a strange one, but what can I say, I've been lucky. (Or maybe I've had blinders on my whole life as a way of protecting myself?) That also brings to mind me saying yesterday that I may not be too pissed off to hear people refer to him with racial slurs right now, because thats what people do when they're angry. They lose control & their potty mouth takes over. I wouldn't assume they're racist because of it, unless they continue to do it when they're in a rational state of mind. My friend did not agree. He said there's never any time when its ok. Of course, I wasn't going to argue. I just don't blame people who mess up when they're fired up. Its like when I've used 4 letter words in the wrong company. - Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:49pm Edited: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:52pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | Racism breeds racism. I am a white boy with some "first nations" friends. I've been to many a rez party where I've had to either defend myself or be defended by my buddies. Some "first nations" people hate white people because of the way they"ve been treated. - Mon, 10 Sep 2007 1:05pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | suporting racism supports inbreeding.........there are too many hawties out there to be racist.... - Mon, 10 Sep 2007 1:09pm Edited: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 1:11pm | ||
| Swingin' Joe User Info... | I have first nations friends that don't seem to mind making fun of their own cultures stereotype. And so it goes.. - Mon, 10 Sep 2007 6:05pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | joe, im going to hit u with my plastic tomahawk. LOL. - Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:23pm | ||
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