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Can someone help me with recording studios?
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| Lord Darkith User Info... | So I have always recorded at home, which hasn't been a long time, maybe a couple of years.. However with the inspiration for a demo it would probably be a better bet to record at an actual studio. I have heard of many studios around here that maybe cost $20 an hour (ive seen some for less) but is this really the case, or are these basically low quality places, that will turn out something that sounds like Darkthrone? Also what is the process with actually releasing a demo, I am guessing recording songs onto a computer in a studio and then of course, sending them off to be burnt onto many cds? Or really am I completely clueless into what needs to be done? Anyways if only this, could someone answer me a good recording studio that isn't too expensive. That would probably help quite a bit. - Mon, 26 Mar 2007 6:41pm | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | you can try getting in touch with the Mito drummer Karl. He's got himself some great gear for recording and would be able to bring his set up to your house. I'm not speaking for him so try getting in touch first. - Mon, 26 Mar 2007 7:07pm | ||
| Lord Darkith User Info... | So I presume id pay him by hour or so, but again my house isn't exactly sound proof but in any case, would you be willing to give out his email? - Mon, 26 Mar 2007 8:27pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Best to pay for a bunch of hours in advance, makes sense to me. - Mon, 26 Mar 2007 11:57pm | ||
| Lord Darkith User Info... | It looks like the deal with Karl isn't going to work out. So does anyone know of any cheap recording studios around here that would actually have some quality associated with them? - Wed, 18 Apr 2007 9:16pm | ||
| lonemonk User Info... | Be very careful of asking for cheap and quality in the same sentence. It's not so much that you can ONLY have one or the other, but quality costs money and you should be willing to pay it.... My place isn't open for you yet so I can't suggest it at this time, but let's just say this: If you care about what you are recording then don't try to find the cheapest place around. Second, find some local CDs you *really* like the sound of and try and contact those studios or people. Lastly, when you do get into a studio make sure you know exactly what you are doing backwards and front; only then will you be saving money and have the best chance of ending up with a very good product you (and the studio) can be proud of. . - Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:02pm Edited: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:03pm | ||
| Lord Darkith User Info... | Ah but you see we aren't exactly recording a full length proffesional album here but more or less a demo, however quality would be nice? What would you suggest a price per hour would be for a demo that would create a good product, maybe even decent? I mean id love to pay for it all if possible however as just the few of us are 17-18, and we do not have jobs at the moment, its not like we have thousands to spend. Still though im sure there is something that wouldn't be awfully expensive and produce something decent in the Victoria area (il check out some bands etc like you listed and thanks btw). - Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:15pm | ||
| Lucius User Info... | What kinda quality are you looking for. We did this in our little studio (listen to Stuffed and wheels). I think it is of demo quality http://www.myspace.com/deadbandwalking76 also here is the latest song idea we just did off the floor and then I added two more guitar parts. http://www.nomotherspride.com/MP3/fjoe-unamed.mp3 it took about an hour of extra time. So i'll bet if you have your shite together you could get like 3 songs done in about 3 hours a song (for demo stuff anyways). Pretty much any budget studio will get you this type of sound. You could look into renting equipment as well. br1600, drum mics +2 condensers for over heads, sm57 or 58 for guitars, bass will go direct in, and a decent vocal condenser. Then you'd have it for a month prolly for about the same price as 1 day in the studio. Good luck. Cheers, Lucius - Thu, 19 Apr 2007 2:46am | ||
| Matteus User Info... |  Just to give to other bands and get gigs? If that's the case, take a shot at recording. If you've done it before, should be like riding a bike. You can rent a presonus firepod at L&M with some decent condensor mics for a month and practice with that. Its UBBER easy! If you have questions, you can email me. PLUS, if you practice with that, you can get used to ideas like: scratch tracks, working with a click and again, working with a click. Many bands will go into a studio and find out their drummer can't play to a click to save their soul and waste hundreds of dollars. I think the firepod + a few mics shouldnt set you back more than 100 bucks for a month. Eight inputs can let you even do a decent drum track if you get suavey with cu-base. Build a solid foundation and once you get into the studio, you'll save time since You'll have an idea of the recording process. If the demo will be for sale, go to a studio. Cheers, Matteus - Thu, 19 Apr 2007 3:30am Edited: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 3:34am | ||
| Lucius User Info... | Aint that the truth. Cheers, Lucius Many bands will go into a studio and find out their drummer can't play to a click to save their soul and waste hundreds of dollars. - Thu, 19 Apr 2007 8:26am | ||
| ForgottenJoe User Info... | Click track whats that. HeHeHeeee. - Thu, 19 Apr 2007 9:47am | ||
| lonemonk User Info... | I wouldn't want to play a click track to any drummer unless it was absolutely necessary or you were going to add drums later, which is a very bad idea for most projects anway. Live off the floor is typically the only way to go for basic tracks that sound like real music. Doing it yourself is certainly an option, especially if you have some familiarity with it. If you are learning it from scratch, then you might spend 10 times as much time getting the tracks down as if you went somewhere to record. Being 17-18 your time probably is almost free, if you're an old fart like me thats too costly in time. It doesn't matter whether someone else records it, or you DIY, you need to be able to play the stuff as well as you can to avoid delays and shitty end-product. It's more important than the recording. If you're good at it, you can record with a fucking ghetto blaster if you like. Later when you want to do something a little more professional, then seek out a studio. By the way, even if you have gained some recording experience by that time, it is still recommended that you do your release at a studio. Someone else working the knobs will allow you to do what you're there to do. . Good luck Darkith - Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:59am | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | I've never seen a click track used, though musicians I know never use one. - Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:09am | ||
| Tim-Bitchfork User Info... | Hey, Bitchfork recorded my drums at Audio Garage, the guys were very friendly, professional, and were really wanting our vision for the album carried out. It wasn't cheap, $1000 for 5-6 hours tuning/mic setup, then we recorded for about 10-11 hours the next day. It all makes sense considering the equipment they have, the drum room (sounds amazing just playing in that room), and the experience they have. We used a click for about 80% of it, didn't have issues doing that. We left with some Pro sounding drum tracks, 12 tracks on 3/5 songs, 14 tracks on the two songs i overdubbed cymbals with soft mallets. We decided to record the rest at my place in Pro Tools using my rig, which is sounding really good. Throw an SM57 on the guitars, direct in'd bass into my ART Tube Channel Tube Preamp, same with vocals and keys and you're laughing. As I am not as experienced in mixing/engineering as Audio Garage or lonemonk here, we (I) have been taking a lot of time recording/mixing this album, but hey, we ain't paying for time in studio right?! I already have mixer/effects/preamps/mics but if you rent equipment it can be cheap. I think out of anything Drums are the hardest to record, especially if you don't know how to. Thats why we did them pro, then did what we could do ourselves for cheap. PS: EP out soon! Timmey - Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:21am Edited: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:24am | ||
| lonemonk User Info... | I saw pictures of your room on-line Tim; You have a ton of stuff packed in down there! Look forward to hearing your EP! I'm really just an enthusiast like yourself, I rely on Hendersons' expertise when things get pro. I am however aware of the challanges faced by new non-technical artists who want to start recording. I'm the guy who's job it is to continue educating people about the use of studios (and not just ours, but in general). Even with the proliferation of cheap and (reasonably) good gear, there will always be the need for a place to go and record without being bogged down by the rest of the process. And then of course there is the investment in pro-level microphones, other equipment, experienced staff, etc. I'm glad you brought the Half-DIY example forward... . - Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:19pm Edited: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 2:06pm | ||
| Lord Darkith User Info... | Lucius: Well we are looking for decent quality, it will be a mix of drums, bass, vocals, two guitars and keyboards so im sure even without some great recording equipment since there are those many parts in the mix, it will not sound too bad. (right now not at a place that has sound, will have to listen to those tracks later). Matteus: The purpose of the demo, is to make something that will definately show the talents of the band, maybe not let individual notes stand out well but you know make a good impression upon anyone listening. And I do have some recording gear, but I am pretty unsure of what it is capable of. It isn't much it's just a smaller mixer, hooked up to my laptop with mics (maybe this is good enough?). Btw what is a Presonus Firepod? Is it something quality that is better than my simple setup, or is it really the same? My last questions are why would you recommend going to a studio if you are going to sell the demo? I really want to sell the demo but.. would the reasoning behind the studio be copyrights etc, I am pretty unfimiliar with that process. Also does anyone know if you can rent drum mics at L&M? Lonemonk: What is a click drummer anyways, kind of unfimiliar with a lot of these ideas. And I guess time isn't a huge option, over spending all the money in a studio, if you are saying that its all about time, than I have it. About the playing well part, with time im sure that will also be a factor in the end, so definately it will be close to perfect (the playing that is). And thankyou. Tim: And ya I would love to record all of this at a place like Audio Garage, but unfortunately we have many 300 bucks to spend here (Im guessing that's not much at all). About recording drums, is it almost a prerequisite to record them seperately in good quality putting that much time into them? I mean would some drum mics at home do well, or would it sound like st.anger (the garbage can sound). Also what is a SM57, which equipment should I rent? Alright but is it possible that we could just try for a long time until the song perfected or is this a painstaking process? Thanks and definately stoked for the Fork demo. - Thu, 19 Apr 2007 2:14pm | ||
| Tim-Bitchfork User Info... | Yeah lonemonk, gotta lotta stuff crammed in my little room everything is music equipment but my bed, lol. Yep, L&M rents drum mics. SM57 is a very versatile and popular Dynamic Cardiod (gets sound from mostly directly in front of it's end). It is commonly used to mic guitar amps, usually directly over the speaker cone, 1" from the mesh. SM57s are also great for snare drums and toms (kinda). Floor toms sound best with a Condenser mic, which can get the full low end that the floor toms make, same with overhead (cymbal) mics, condensers are best there. Kick drum, if L&M has it, get the AKG d112, Shure kick mics sound flat to me, all personal taste there, I am picky about the kick drum. Yeah....lonemonk will know more about this, just my opions and rants. We have some pics of our recordings here if anyone is interested: http://www.bitchfork.net/gallery/ PS: Lonemonk, our Pirate Song, "Pillage" has your wave sample from FreeSound at the end :D. Thanks in advance lol hahah - Fri, 20 Apr 2007 1:06pm Edited: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 1:07pm | ||
| lonemonk User Info... | Sweet! Glad to hear someone local is finally making use of that stuff. Some of the out of towners have used my recordings for some pretty silly shit. As Creative Commons goes, I don't have any control over how its used, so its all good... If I do say so myself, its one of the better purely beach/wave sounds on Freesound. Next time I'm taking down my Binaural head to get a hyper-stereo recording. - Fri, 20 Apr 2007 8:43pm Edited: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 8:43pm | ||
| matteus User Info... | I dont want to sound consending, but maybe talking super simple might work so that you know where you are... (I've learned as a manager to talk to everyone like an idiot makes sure everyone is on the same playing field) First, Lord Darkith what is your email? should put it in your profile. NExt, take some time to go online. Google things like: Home recordings How to record your band Simple recording techniiques microphones 101 Stuff like that will let you know a little more about these terms people are using as well as make you a more rounded musician (that's a good thing) I belive that all musians should learn a little more about recording, they dont have to be engineers, just alittle. SM57- straight mic with no capsule on it. Used for guitars, snares, brass and pretty much anything. Best rounded mic in the industry. Not too shit hot for vocals due to no capsule, which brings me to... SM58- the industry standard for vocal mics at live rock shows. I have seen these dropped, thrown, use to hammer nails, doubled as a mace, and spat on. The capsule is all that gets shit kicked. SHURE BETA 52 and AKG112 - kick drum mics. Each to their own taste. The best for live sound. beefy looking like a ball. low end makes it good for bass mic too. (DI + this =goodness) CONDESOR MIC - several kinds. small diaphram (less than an inch) large diaphram (more than an inch) pencil (slender. good for over head mics) these ones are the kind that you are going to most likely use for vocals. they are powered with something called phantom power from the mixing board, giving it a more stable field, along with more accuracy and "warmth". That sound that make a voice sound like a voice. if you're recording yourself, a C1 is a decent mic to use. third. a click drummer/a click track - what is that? We know theres different beat patterns. for example an easy one is 4/4 at 120 beats per minute(BPM) that would mean theres 2 beats per second. this might be something a drummer might play his snare to so that he can keep the band in beat (an make a snare sound) Many drummers think they are really good (and they are) but 90% (rough guess) can't play to a straight beat that is consistant. VERY FEW drummers can record their first take perfectly. So when your drummer goes in, he will most likely play to a click track (unless you have some sort of fucked timing scheme going on like a 16/5 @ 56.9 BPM) Just buy a 20 dollar metronome from L&M and set a beat for your drummer. These little bad boys are small and have a head phone jack so that you can listen to it with some beefy headphones. Your drummer can practice this on his own or at practice. Bass players being a vital part of the rhythm section should do the same. four: what is a presonus firepod? http://www.presonus.com/firepod.html check that out. I love this unit. Catch is... does your computer have a firewire interface? its used for external hard drive and camcorders. It's simple to use, the software is where you may have issues. If you need help, email me. The 8 inputs (you can record up to eight mics at the same time) will let you record everything including drums. Most things just need two, maybe three. Depends on your skill. MORE ISNT BETTER. For example: (The first mic is a must, 2nd is optional) guitar: SM57 and a condesor mic bass: a direct input and BETA 52 keys: Direct input VOX: C1 and SM57 You need 3 for drums at least. This gets tricky. A set of pencil mics would help this along Drums: BETA 52 (kick), one pencil inbetween toms, one pencil bottom of floor tom, C1 over head, SM57 snare I know that the drum set up I explain here is going to be faulted by some, but I am keeping in mind a budget for a home made demo. I think that the things that get lost the most by home recording are #1 kickdrum #2 toms/floor #3 snare (more so a weak snare) The brass always seems to come through since they bleed into all the other mics. five: is my setup good enough? you didnt give enough details as to what it is you have. Is it a USB interface or are you trying what I tried long ago and use a fuckload of adaptors and plug into your headphone jack? I've tried everything people and even this one. It won't work. Simply put, your computers sound card cant handle that much information, that is in part what a firepod is (or any digital recording interface) is an external sound card that's been BEEFED right up. six: if I want to sell my demo, why do you say go to a studio. There is a weird thing about the human sensory system I have learned from doing video work (music videos, live videos, DVD's etc) and that is video quality can slack off SO MUCH and people wont care so much. Maybe cause we can inturpitate the images in our mind. BUT I WILL TELL YOU, people's brains DO NOT LIKE SHIT SOUND. This is what I mean from your demo. You botch the first one, are your fans (would be fans, family etc) going to buy the next one? If this demo is to give victoria (and canada) an idea of what you can do, just start small. seven (the list goes on): BACK to the home recording if the online research is just to much of a hastle or you just want a bettter, readily available source, get a book on recording. I can't remember the name of it, but I have a book on recording that cost me about 50 clams and it told me EVERYTHING. From mics, their functions, recroding teachniques, how to mic everything from a guitar to piano to clapping to vocals to bongos. best 50 bucks I ever spent. If you leave your family as collateral, I might lend it to you for a short while... EIGHT: This is to be the salesman and see what opinion people have. There is a firepod for sale in the gear buy and sell section for 400. It's a steal of a deal, just not for the price but what I think can help musicians. The ability to record your jams can be a powerful learning tool. even if not your jam as a whole band, if lets say your guitarists (if you have to, sub a bassist if not) get together and write a piece but are going to have till next jam to present it, they could record it with a simple set up, a 2 minute mix and then with the power of LAPTOPS, WI-FI and the internet, send it off to other band members to have a listen and work with it at home. Even if that seems far fetched, one can simply remember a riff that they were working on in the past to come back to. The firepod is portable enough to do this. Now that I have made this an epic thread, I am sure that gives you an idea of where to go. I am sure that people will notice my foul language, terrible spelling, even worse grammer and some of this might jsut be plain WRONG. I only care about the last one. SO if there is a fault, please post it. Cheers Matteus - Sat, 21 Apr 2007 3:14am Edited: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 3:31am | ||
| Lord Darkith User Info... | That was probably one of the most helpful posts ive ever seen on LiveVic, thankyou. However I think I should probably email you instead of posting another long reply to this thread. Expect one soon. - Wed, 25 Apr 2007 2:08pm | ||
| J. Peatman User Info... | That's right, 'cause you still have a long reply to post elsewhere on this board. - Wed, 25 Apr 2007 2:33pm | ||
| Tim-Bitchfork User Info... | Righton Matteus for explaining what we are all too lazy to explain. Yeah lonemonk, that was the best wave sample there, then I saw it was in Sooke, posted by you so it was even cooler! Yeah great quality that has. Good luck Lord Darkith shoot some questions if you need a hand. - Wed, 25 Apr 2007 4:32pm | ||
| Matteus User Info... | i wont lie. there was some serious love in that. I have read alot about recording, done some of the shitiest recordings that you have ever heard as well as had the grace of some great engineers to talk to me about recording. Mainly trail and error. It'd be nice if this was something that rookies could go by because I think its some good advice. Lord Darkith - don't be a stranger. I have a whole lot of time now that I am moving up to ladysmith to work. If you can catch me on some off days, I'd have no prob helping out. TIM - It was an hour and a few re-edits to do that. thanks for the kudos. Anything you think you can add to that? I know you did some home recordings yourself. My experience is limited. Live vic needs a QUESTION AND ANSWER section where you can ask quesitons, rather than taking a crap shoot in another section. in that section you can put permanent posts that explain things well. i mentioned it when the site underwent its looks and Nev asked for suggestions. Its the only thing i think the site lacks. (good job so far nev) cheers matteus - Wed, 25 Apr 2007 8:10pm | ||
| lonemonk User Info... | I agree Matteus, it would be good to have a place where common items could remain sticky as well, and stay at the top, since the same things tend come up all the time. Done well it would end up feeling a lot more like this site, among many others: http://homerecording.com/bbs/forumdisplay.php?forumid=2 http://www.johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/index.php Just to be a pest though, I suggest that such a feature would make *way* too much sense for some of the stuff that passes as conversation and/or knowledge transfer around these parts. - Thu, 26 Apr 2007 9:43am Edited: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 9:50am | ||
| Matteus User Info... | Fair enough on what passes for "knowledge" but I am sure that there are tonnes of new people who could use the basics in just not recording, but band advice as well. So I am guessing I hit the nail on the head with the advice? Not bad for a hack of a promoter who was never in a band... Cheers, Matteus - Thu, 26 Apr 2007 5:55pm | ||
| LukeH User Info... | Yo cocklefritz. Irrelevant to the demo, but when you and your crew get up to the point of a full album, give BlueWave studios in Vancouver a go. I took a tour of the place to see how it works, it's very professional..and probably pretty expensive, But get the bandmates to chip in. Anyways just something to think about. - Fri, 18 May 2007 9:02am | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | My two cents: Firstly I dislike even the concept of the "demo". The word demo instantly implies that the recording in question isn't going to be so hot, certainly not a "professional" recording. It sets the whole project up for a certain amount of failure before a note has been played. I myself consider a recording to be a recording and leave it at that. Remember there are countless "demos" out there that turned into hit albums (Boston's first LP, to name an obvious one, which sold 6 million copies out of the box comes to mind). Click Tracks: I hate 'em, drummers hate 'em and the resulting music is almost always far too "robot like" for anyone's taste. It takes a really good drummer with awesome powers of concentration to play along with a click and not hop around the tempo which always sounds like shit. Styles like dance music and some metal benefit from this mechanical feel but most music souns better played straight. Mics: Matteus' mike picks are pretty right on; I would add that for kick drum the AKG D112 is a more boomy kick mike, good for most straight rock and pop music, the Sennheiser 421 has a bit more bite in the top end which I prefer for harder edged (metal) stuff. I have an EV ND 27 that is great for jazz and bass cabs; it's the mic you see on all the TV/radio sports talk shows. Amp cabs like 57's, 421's (or equivalents) Sennheiser 441's (less output but who cares with a Marshall stack) for dynamic mics; condensers that I like are AKG C1000's (every studio should have a pair of these as they are indispensable), AKG 414's (expensive though!) Rode NT-3's (super hot!! watch out) or even the cheapo Behringers (cheap!!). Vocals can be 58's (or preferably Beta 58's) or 421's for extreme stuff, any good condenser mic (try to make it as good a one as possible) for "normal" vocals. I once used a D112 to record Carolyn Mark's voice (!!) so there are no hard and fast rules. Money: With the proliferation of cheap, CD quality recording gear available today there is no reason that a band that has its performance shit together can't make a CD quality, album length recording for $1000. I know many people who have spent many times that amount on recordings that they are ultimately dissatisfied with. Don't be taken in by flashy websites (none of which seem to want to tell you how much it actually COSTS to record there) or fancy presentation (like the local studio that had very creative photos of it that didn't show the 6 foot high ceilings) ; I always am sceptical when I see a totally neat and tidy, every-hair-in-place studio. That suggests to me that nobody has been working in there for some time. And remember that all the fancy gear in the world means jack shit if the guy (or gal) running it has no ears. Distrust studios that have no CD's kicking around to play on their monitoring setup; there's usually a good reason that they don't want to play you a commercial recording back to back with the one you just did. The truth can be ruthless in pro audio. I'm sure I'll think of more stuff if this thread persists... - Fri, 18 May 2007 2:47pm | ||
| Matteus User Info... | Ya Zipp. Word out to the mics. Hit and miss on the word "demo" I view demo as what you need to show other bands what you have going on with out recording with a computer mic and sounding like shit. Then there's rack gear which I dont know TOO much about except what I have used in live sound. Two things: 1. Compressors/limiters: useful for kick and snare or vocal screamers 2. BBE sonic maximizer. I dont know what it would do for a recording, but LIVE it kicked ass! "cleaned up signal" to be way crisper. Cheers, matteus p.s- DARKITH, have you gotten on that recording at all? - Fri, 18 May 2007 5:40pm Edited: Fri, 18 May 2007 5:41pm | ||
| jeff User Info... | use an old school tape deck, or just rent the cheapest 4 track and 1 condenser mic fuck sound quality - Sat, 19 May 2007 12:17am | ||
| Matteus User Info... | HELLS YA! JEFF!!! that is what a demo should be! - Sat, 19 May 2007 2:14am | ||
| Lord Darkith User Info... | Sorry but id rather have my demo sound timeless instead of gr1m kvlt or something stupid that sounds like a cat dying. And sorry Matteus I know you expected an email about recording questions. Ive been busy beyond belief so much that music isn't an option. But expect one soon. And again thankyou for your help. - Sat, 19 May 2007 3:22pm Edited: Sat, 19 May 2007 3:23pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | *grin* but c'mon now, everyone wants to spend month's overdubbing there demo to death fixing it. They used to record stuff with a 2-track tape recorder you could buy at Radio Shack, now that's ELITE!!! - Sat, 19 May 2007 5:25pm Edited: Sat, 19 May 2007 5:26pm | ||
| jeff User Info... | radio shack doesnt exist man but honestly when i didnt have a job and didnt know anyone me and my buddys would record on a 2 track tape deck and i still have the tapes and have lots of fun re listening to them MORBATORY FOR LIFE and lord whatever i dont care about sound quality i care about music....if you can make out kinda hear what the band is trying to do and its good i dont care what the quality is - Sun, 20 May 2007 1:24am | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Radio Shack still exists, there known as The Source, and I doubt they have a battery club. :( - Sun, 20 May 2007 2:07am | ||
| Lord Darkith User Info... | But why would you want to compromise the music anyways? If you record with an 4 track than your going to be barely able to recognize what anyones playing. So by doing that, your compromising the music since a lot of what you composed has gone to waste due to the fact that it isn't audible. If you have nice quality than people will actually want to hear your music and will enjoy it, also you will be able to hear each note clear. - Sun, 20 May 2007 7:39am | ||
| Matteus User Info... | ACTUALLY.... all depends how you do it LD. If I rememeber "recording history 101" the beatles greatest tracks were recorded on a 4 track using only 4 mics!!! What is being talked about here is just using one or two CONDENSER mics which are way more accute than standard dynamic mics (the kind you'd use at a live show). THEN, if you take into consideration all that mind numbing time that you put into dubbing, cutting, editting, getting high, re-recording, screaming, and crying yourself to sleep, you'd ALMOST think about just doing it with two mics and a prayer. ONCE AGAIN, its what you are looking for that matters. The "2 mic demo" is somehting that you put out there to JUST other bands so they know what kind of music you are. cheers, matteus "the guy who knows enough, but not enough about recording" - Sun, 20 May 2007 11:47am | ||
| lonemonk User Info... | What Zipp was mentioning is what passes for a 4-track these days can sound very good, an ton better than those of old. If you want to do a decent product yourself then read through some of the links I posted last time and see what people are talking about doing which is similar to your project. It would help if you outlined your project in a bit more detail in here as well. To do it yourself, you might have to spend much time learning and experimenting, but that's fun all its own. Yes things used to be recorded direct to stereo, or direct to MONO for that matter. These studios however still had rooms full of high-end equipment and the performers knew how to play it *perfect* the first time to avoid wasteage. You can try and emulate that if you want, but prepare for failure. This hasn't been the way for 50 years or so. I've heard interesting recordings done on ghetto-blasters off the corner while Punk band thrashes around, but it will never be called 'Good' in any quality sense. It will be lucky to be heard by more than a few die-hards. It still totally depends on what you want to do and how well you want to do it. People would probably continue to have some very specific recommendations for you if you explained in more detail what kind of thing you have going on. How many peeps, how many songs, what style of music, how much experience do ya'll have? Radio Shack is SO dead, they don't even have electronic components anymore. Go to Liquidation World on the Colwood crawl if you want to see the last of the RS stuff, or if you need a diode of two. . - Sun, 20 May 2007 1:59pm Edited: Sun, 20 May 2007 2:01pm | ||
| jeff User Info... | 4 track recording is the way to go lord whatever tapes for life - Sun, 20 May 2007 11:24pm | ||
| Hang the DJ User Info... | haha I totally record all my music on a tape recorder. Shitty thing is it's hard to hear vocals in there because the guitar is like fucking motorcycle loud... Cassette tapes shall live on forever. - Tue, 22 May 2007 11:26pm | ||
| lonemonk User Info... | I've hated casettes since day one. Only 1/2" tape and wider is of any real use, and even then it's a pain to work with not to mention expensive and becoming rare. I've done a tonne of shit on old 4-tracks and that was fun and all, but it doesn't compare to the equipment you can buy cheaply nowadays. - Thu, 24 May 2007 10:05am | ||
| Kyle Price User Info... | lord darkith, shoot me an email. kyleprice*at*shaw.ca - Thu, 24 May 2007 10:35am | ||
| J. Peatman User Info... | "Sorry but id rather have my demo sound timeless instead of gr1m kvlt or something stupid that sounds like a cat dying." Darkthrone - Under a Funeral Moon is a timeless and universally lauded album, not in the least because of its low-key and atmospheric production. I'm sure you can appreciate that one? Not that I'm helping this thread along at all with this post as you're mainly asking for technical advice, but I think that you shouldn't set your expectations too high if it's your first recording. It's definitely good to have standards, but focus on the song quality and performance. In the end you might be surprised what a "production with character" (and I don't mean an end result that sounds like a dying cat in a gravel mixer) could add to your music. - Thu, 24 May 2007 12:28pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | i used to avoid decent recording cause i was scared it would be too revealing - Thu, 24 May 2007 4:48pm | ||
| Platoon User Info... | I recorded my first demo on a wax cylinder. I wrote it on the wall in a cave before I actually played it. - Thu, 24 May 2007 10:00pm | ||
| LukeH User Info... | LD owns. - Sat, 26 May 2007 4:01pm | ||
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