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| I'm the drummers girlfriend! User Info... | my girlfreinds and I saw the bouncers at a strip bar in Victoria seriously injur a guy last weekend, it was really disturbing and scary, , and then they had the nerve to push me and my girlfreinds just because we had a few choice words for the " tough guys". of course they had dragged the guy away from camera view and beside some dumpsters , took both of the steroid monkeys to hold him upside down and pile drive his head into the pavement and then drop him, as the guy lay motionless in a huge puddle of his own blood and blood pooring out of the wound in his head, the two bouncers just stood there as if they were proud of what they had done, this is really becoming a problem, these stupid fucks are gonna kill someone someday, or they are gonna shitkick the wrong guy, and get themselves killed......these guys need to take a course on what being a bouncer should be like, and not what a fucking goof with a chip on his shoulder does to innocent people......as for the guy that this happened to..me and my girlfreinds stayed by your side until the ambulance came , we hope you are ok!....oh yeah and we had blood all over our hands and the bouncers would not let us back in to wash our hands....... what happened to all the nice people in this world???? - Thu, 30 Nov 2006 5:29pm Edited: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 5:33pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | Lay charges - Thu, 30 Nov 2006 6:09pm | ||
| XY-SATAN User Info... |  They ( Him and some chick)worked at some bar in Calgary and were kicking up a stink , like he should he be able to walk into any bar in Canada ...for free with comp drinks, and then spit in the barkeeps face for saying NO I myself had to step in to protect the guy because the bouncers where going to curb stomp him , but he just kept coming back for more, so I stepped aside . A drunken idiot really . So If you knew what he did you might have a different opinion , it does sound harsh ... but for all you know he might of pulled a weapon or groped one of the strippers .. that's a big NO NO in a strip club ! But it sounds way over board from what you describe and all I can say is there is some good bouncers out there , but even the best bouncer hits their limit of tolerance for some of the shit that they have to deal with . But that‘s no excuse for what happened . Did you phone the hospital or talk to the cops to see what happened to the guy ? - Thu, 30 Nov 2006 6:18pm Edited: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 6:26pm | ||
| Sprocket User Info... | we called 911, and they took him to the hospital right away, they guy was not that big so i can't imagine what he did to piss them off, either way the sound his head made cracking the pavement and all the blood.....he didn't deserve it...those bouncers are bad there...... - Thu, 30 Nov 2006 6:44pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | I hate that sound! I can't even believe I know what that sounds like, but I've heard it a few times, always nightclub/bar related. Every single time. I don't think people realize how dangerous public drinking can be. - Thu, 30 Nov 2006 7:00pm | ||
| dumpstermesh User Info... | Holy Shit!!! Where does "bouncing" end and assult begin? I hope the guy lays charges and I hope his witnesses back him in court. - Thu, 30 Nov 2006 7:53pm | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | I don't know what you expected from a strip club. Class? - Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:13pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | This happened at a strip bar?!? No shit, which one? That's sad when a night of T&A turns into a night at the hospital. True, perhaps the victim had a mouth on him, but the bouncers had no right to do that. - Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:25pm Edited: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:28pm | ||
| Tim-Bitchfork User Info... |  But yeah, don't expect much from a strip club. Like thats kinda the end of the line for bouncers so only the worst can be there really. One time I went to Monty's on my buddies birthday, there was no bouncers but some girl at the door. It was like $4 bucks in, I paid $5 and she gave me $11 back. So I bought some beer. That bouncer was the right balance of stupid and cool. - Fri, 1 Dec 2006 9:45am | ||
| Mofo User Info... | ahhh the power and rush of bouncing at the local Tittie shop! How authoritative it must be to be able to smash someones skull on the pavement and call it even. I sincerely hope that these wastes of skin face some kind of charge or, at the very least, a good ol' dose of some Lennon-style instant karma. - Fri, 1 Dec 2006 10:08am | ||
| Shaggy User Info... | That's just so wrong in so many ways. Regardless of what he'd done in the bar, that's crossing the line. Ejecting someone is a far cry from what was described. That's pretty much attempted murder as far as I'm concerned. Hopefully these bouncers end up doing some hard time. Really hope buddy doesn't end up with a severe brain injury. - Fri, 1 Dec 2006 10:31am | ||
| metalqueen User Info... | It happened at the Red Lion...what I saw made me feal sick to my stomach.And yes we called 911 right away....good thing there was 6 of us girls that witnessed this bullshit.We stayed with the poor kid untill the cops showed up and wrote statements of what happened.And to the sucked off bouncer who pushed me.....I remember your fucking face and I wont forget it(tough guy eh?)We did find out that the guy was allright and is pressing charges. - Fri, 1 Dec 2006 10:45am | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | It happened at the Red Fox?!? Man, makes the place look more plastic then it really is (sorry, that place is a pathetic excuse to what it used to be, yes I still remember the layout), guess they have to charge too much for beer cause there saving up for such a lawsuit. Sad, I tell you! - Fri, 1 Dec 2006 11:35am Edited: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 11:35am | ||
| bad_fairy User Info... | I know a couple of you girls that helped this guy and good for you for stepping up to the plate to help him. No matter how stupid you are (spitting in peoples faces, getting too wasted etc...) it does not give any goon a right to pummel you beyond belief. So good on you wicked chicks for helping someone out....it's sorely missed in society....Go Wee Miss G and girls!!!!!!!!!! - Fri, 1 Dec 2006 3:56pm | ||
| Mace User Info... | Totally, you people did the right thing, ultimately this is typically- inflated ego[s] that seemingly are all too familiar, which along with 'Abuse of Authority' when it falls into the wrong hands of those who abuse those powers. Poor guy by the likes of what happened to him- by these asshole security, although, you guys who were there for him- who stood in the way and over-all, likely, were to have saved his life. (By the sounds of it) HOLY SHIT! - Fri, 1 Dec 2006 5:13pm Edited: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 5:14pm | ||
| Sprocket User Info... | I think attempted murder is a good charge considering we caught them, what would they have done to him if we didn't? probably kicked him while he was down, killed him, I just hope they get whats coming to them!......how would they feel if their brother or dad or son had that happen? - Fri, 1 Dec 2006 11:38pm | ||
| Friday User Info... | Aaaaaaah-ha-ha-ha! I have never heard such a litany of self-righteous and misinformed drivel in all my life. I am an employee at the Fox in a capacity other than bouncer and I will be the first to admit that occasionally bouncers push the envelope, but with good cause. These men are hired to fight for a living. When some drunken ego-maniac can't handle his liquor and becomes belligerent to a group of guys twice his size, a due ponding is just. How about this reality. If you can't handle your liquor, stay at home. Public drunkenness is dangerous and I'm sure this bozo would have been just as violent to someone else had they not been larger and in greater numbers than he. there was no wrestling-like power crunch, and the bouncer who was involved is the nicest, most demure guy I have ever met. The drunken idiocy of this guy must have been extreme. Bouncers deal with guns, violence and the most dangerous of alcoholics every day. I'm glad none of my co-workers were hurt. I question why the police decided NOT to press charges if the bouncer's behaviour was so heinous? The hilarity of his "near-deadly" injuries was in watching him melodramatically running away from the ambulance when it arrived at the hospital- CLASSIC DRUNKEN IDIOCY. As for the spitting in a bouncers face being ok if you're drunk . . . I'm at a loss for words. What mentally defective social leper posted that? How about this, short-bus. I'll get drunk and spit your mama's face and we'll see how "ok" it is then. I love the idiotic rantings of the pathetically self-righteous and uninformed. Please attempt to respond. It will lighten my day. Oh, . . . try spell-check too. - Fri, 1 Dec 2006 11:55pm | ||
| dumpstermesh User Info... | Oh this is fun.... I love it when people get on it about spell check when they obviously rely on it as their sole source of self editing. "there was no wrestling-like power crunch,...". "there" is the first word in a sentence and therefore needs a CAPITAL. "bouncer's behaviour". Now I'm assuming that the word "is" is NOT in between those two words and you really mean "bouncers". You got it right later when you mention spitting in the bouncers face. "mama's face". Same thing here.... My work here is done. Have a nice day. - Sat, 2 Dec 2006 12:59am | ||
| Mordock.the.Benzite User Info... | dumpstermesh: Rule 2. Use the apostrophe to show possession. Place the apostrophe before the s to show singular possession. Examples: one boy's hat one woman's hat one actress's hat one child's hat Ms. Chang's house Mr. Jones's golf clubs Texas's weather Ms. Straus' s daughter Jose Sanchez's artwork Dr. Hastings's appointment (name is Hastings) Mrs. Lees's books (name is Lees) ... BOUNCER'S BEHAVIOUR jesus fuck....thanks for coming out. - Sat, 2 Dec 2006 1:35am | ||
| XY-SATAN User Info... | ____________________________________________________ As for the spitting in a bouncers face being ok if you're drunk . . . I'm at a loss for words. What mentally defective social leper posted that? How about this, short-bus. I'll get drunk and spit your mama's face and we'll see how "ok" it is then. I love the idiotic rantings of the pathetically self-righteous and uninformed. Please attempt to respond __________________________________________________________ Speaking of pathetically self - righteous ?! Well , why don't yea tell us what went down then ? What warrants being dragged out of a bar , double teamed and pile drived into the pavement to a bloody pulp .. ? And then threaten and push a lady ? Sounds pretty pathetic to me , and I’ll come down and say it to your fucking face if you wish ? Don’t be threatening people on here and going off the handle buddy, makes you look like an ass . If you’re the one that man handled the ladies after this shit , … you need adjusting .. - Sat, 2 Dec 2006 4:32am | ||
| Matteus User Info... | Friday.... you twit. I have been working the bar industry for 6 years now, and in much seedier places than Victoria. Guns... HA! One shooting? Try in Calgary and T.O. Those are dangerous. Been there, done that. Seen stabbings, shootings, full out 150 person bar brawl. Victoria is tame for that. BUT BESIDES THE POINT. These "bouncers" (i prefer safety/security/door men) are PAID to be PROFESSIONAL. $15/hr at the fox if I am right, $13 is bottom at "V" lounge. They are meant to handle situations PROFESSIONALLY, not like monkeys. AND not to mention that some of the door men at "V" lounge / The Fox have been FIRED from other bars for doing COKE on the job!!! (if this was the fox this happened at, which I am led to believe by the violence of the story). Who am I to say? I've done my door time, and I ain't the biggest guy at 5'10", 170lbs and I have had some serious shit done to me and I keep my cool. Spitting, slapping, threatning and all that weak shit that people do when they are drunk. All this was just at the Victoria Event Centre!! I've been hit in the head with a chair and not lost my cool! So for Friday, people like you and your doormen give the industry a bad name. I know plenty of doormen in town who would have handle a much more seirous situation with more tact. ALL THE WAY FROM JAPAN, Matteus - Sat, 2 Dec 2006 5:31am | ||
| Dr. Dildo User Info... | Go an buy some bear repelent, and let em have it in the eyes first, then when they cant see ya, spray thier dicks... then kick em in the balls - Sat, 2 Dec 2006 8:02am | ||
| JDL User Info... | matteus makes a good point, in that there is a level of professionalism in that business and from what i've seen(posted by an employee of the establishment) there is a lack of it. It shows even in friday's post. If you had some sort of professionalism about you, you wouldn't be concerned of a message board and would carry on business as per norm. Unless this 'incident' hit some nerves with people at your business. Thats just my take on the situation... and also keep in mind i wasn't there or had anything to do with it, im merely observing whats going on here and how You've(friday) responded. - Sat, 2 Dec 2006 10:13am | ||
| Sprocket User Info... | Friday, your too funny...... you were not out there....we were and yes they did pile drive his head into the pavement we saw it, so you need to keep yourself informed, I can't believe some of the things you said, and the spell check thing....you spelled pounding wrong! oh and a due pounding is never just.... all they need to do is escort the guy out, clearly if they are educated in their feild of employment they would know to only use neccesary force if the guy who was only about 5'5" was so violent why did they not restrain him and call the police , why did the two of them pile drive his head and leave him there???? oh I know I know...pick me pick me!!!!! its because they can't controll their anger, and they abuse authority....and this is a general chit chat I can talk about whatever I want...that does not make me a loser...obviously you responded...that shows that you come on here to read too.... and i'm not saying that all bouncers are bad...just a select few who happen to work at the Red Lion.....and you can't tell me that this is an iscolated incident, because I know of 3 others that have been seriuosly injured by those stupid fucks..thats why I don't go there....and look the one time I did.....this happened....so I don't know you and never insulted you...so don't insult me....we know what happened....it was sick..... but karma is a bitch at least I can sleep at night knowing that i'm a good person... - Sat, 2 Dec 2006 10:37am | ||
| Mean Mike User Info... | A group of bouncers shouldnt have to pound a guy. They can escort, carry, arm bar, all kinds of possibilities, to get a guy out of the bar without busting his head open or throwing punches or whatever. The Red Lion Inn has a history of this from the sounds of it.. from beating up musicians playing the lounge to handcuffing people, to hospitalizing people who snuck their own booze in. that being said, not sure who was involved but some of the staff downstairs are good people, its not everyone but unfortunately these incidents always reflect on everyone... ( you hear about those maids a the Red Lion Inn gangbanged some guy into submission, even hospitalized him! ) - Sat, 2 Dec 2006 10:49am | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Friday writes... >When some drunken ego-maniac can't handle his liquor and becomes belligerent to a group of guys twice his size, a due ponding is just. When some Ego-driven bouncer(s) nearly kills a patron (that PAYS for your wage), then it makes the bouncers look like cowards. There's no excuse for trying to kill the person, the bouncers should be able to deal with the patron (it's called proper training) by disabling him then calling the Victoria police and have the person arrested, it's called the law!!! Might I remind you what the morons/bouncers did to that poor victim in Nanaimo at the Grizzly bar (yes, I'm glad that shithole is out of business)?!? Remember, I might of deserved a thrashing for my mouth over 2 years ago, but I didn't deserve to almost get killed over it. - Sat, 2 Dec 2006 11:04am Edited: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 11:07am | ||
| Sprocket User Info... | Oh yeah and also...Friday said that the guy ran away from the ambulance, were you at the hospital? because i highly doubt that the ambulance drivers came back to tell you that! someone is feeding you lies and i'm sure the bouncers made up a few extras to make themselves look better....and if he did run away its because he was so dissoriented that when he finally came to he couldn't even tell us his name!...he didn't know what happened to him... and its not up to the police to press charges, they did not see it...... a couple of months ago the bouncers through some guy through a window in the smoking area and then tried to tell the police he broke the window.....it was only when one of the bouncers who didn't see the cop standing there and sucker punched the guy.....that cops understood what really happened.....I understand that everyone takes a risk in going out and drinking but we should not be worried about getting injured or killed by an employee at the place we spend our money!....... oh and by the way......bouncers are not hired to fight for a living..... boxers are.... and even boxers maintain a level of professionalism.... - Sat, 2 Dec 2006 11:24am | ||
| Adrenaline Animal User Info... | Even if the guy was totally out of control, the bouncers don not have the right to fight him, phone the cops, christ they seem to be at the Fox all the time anyway. and as of... When some drunken ego-maniac can't handle his liquor and becomes belligerent to a group of guys twice his size, a due ponding is just. How about this reality. If you can't handle your liquor, stay at home. Public drunkenness is dangerous STOP OVER SERVING YOUR CUSTOMERS - Sat, 2 Dec 2006 11:41am | ||
| Shaggy User Info... | Phil, you didn't deserve what you 'got'..period, or anything even remotely close to it, end of discussion. It's obvious that the problem bar(s) need to have class actions filed against them, since that's how you wake up any business. Hit them where it hurts, in the profit margin. The bars should also make it a pre-requisite that their bouncers take non-violent intervention classes as well as possibly anger management classes. I understand that the entire industry shouldn't have to put their people through these types of courses, but 'trouble' bars should, regardless of someone's 'track' record. And just ignore Friday. It's an obvious troll. Don't feed it. Ignore it and it'll go away. - Sat, 2 Dec 2006 1:05pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | Friday- FOR FUCKS SAKE, get a grip. Oh yeah, hows me spelin? - Sat, 2 Dec 2006 1:22pm | ||
| dumpstermesh User Info... | Whoops my bad Murdock. You are right about the possesive form. I should know better. And I can't beleive that I missed "ponding". I give up. I've always hated bouncers. - Sat, 2 Dec 2006 3:07pm | ||
| angelofdeath User Info... | its just a shitty deal that i work with these people on a daily basis and they come across as the nicest guys, and hearing what i, and the cameras, dont see makes me sick to my stomach. im sorry to all who was effected by this. i know it makes me look at everyone i work with in a different light,,,, and lets just say its not a shiney happy light. - Sat, 2 Dec 2006 4:16pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Thx Shaggy, you bring up a good point. - Sat, 2 Dec 2006 5:34pm | ||
| Shaggy User Info... | Yer good people Phil. I just call it as I see it. - Sat, 2 Dec 2006 6:08pm | ||
| Tim-Bitchfork User Info... | Friday, The Fox is a licensed facility for serving alcohol, if there is someone causing trouble cause their drunk, it is the responsibility of the bar to deal with it in a LEGAL and JUST way. Despite what this person did, they were drunk, on the booze that YOUR bar sold them. The bouncer is sober (or maybe not) and should be able to understand that the person is drunk, that should be a common occurance for them. I think it would be very stupid of a place to supply a substance that makes people lose judgment, then almost kill them if they lose their judgment and do something stupid. I guess you don't see this at most regular bars because they don't pay girls to get naked as the atmosphere, which just attracts more people simple-minded enough to be entertained by that, who then will drink and do something stupid. Rev DB, don't only apologize to the brave girls, apologize to the man who went to hospital. Fire the bouncers too, your going to have a hard time smoothing something over when one of your bouncers kills someone. - Sat, 2 Dec 2006 9:51pm Edited: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 9:55pm | ||
| Sprocket User Info... | Thats a good point, I think the bouncers should have disipline too, but if they get fired they will just go work someweere else....at least we know where not to go if you wanna have a good night out.. ..thanks for the appology Donnie Black but I won't be going back there, the bouncers would not even let us girls back in to wash the blood off our hands because we were talking to the cops, we spent alot of money there that night only to cut our girls night short and go home feeling sick at the lack of humanity standing outside the establishment.We actually noticed it was not very busy there....hhhmmmm after the shootings upstairs and the severe beating by the bouncers at Diego's last year that made 10 people in the line up turn arounnd and go somewere else. I think people are afraid to go there...the sad thing is the guys that these bouncers are assaulting are not pressing charges, WHY???? its not a pride thing its a justice thing....who cares if they are big scary guys, they are not going to be bouncers forever eventually they will have to get another job, and it won't be easy with assault charges or manslaughter!!!! are these bouncers not worried of someone they hurt waiting till they get off work with a bunch of their friends and giving some payback?... I hate violence but.....its different when its retaliation.... - Sun, 3 Dec 2006 8:35am | ||
| Sprocket User Info... | Oh and Friday...if you have so much against drunk people...why the fuck do you work in a bar???? granted I think your the dishwasher...but still..... I only have one more thing to say to you.... is "occasionally pushing the envelope" beating a guy so bad that he needed to have reconstructive surgery and metal plates put in his face because the bouncers at diego's were trying to beat up a girl and he was trying to stop it? he wasn't even facing the bouncer on the first blow....nor did he swing at them or anything.....and the first blow knocked him out and as he lay on the ground in the fetal position the bouncers continued to kick him in the face and stomp on his head until he was completely unrecognisible.. the only reason they stopped is because a girl jumped on one of their backs......otherwise he would be dead... brutal....... maybe the bouncers should explain to his kid why daddy doesn't look the same anymore..... - Sun, 3 Dec 2006 9:09am | ||
| abandoned User Info... | im finding this topic concerning on so many different levels 1)... we are grouping these "bouncers" into a whole group it is kinda sad. 2)..we are assuming this person actually witnessed the truth of what happened.... Was she drunk and thought she had seen somthing she hadn't (it is a bar she was inside right?) if so and if what he said is true and the police did not press charges...isnt that saying somthing? 3) if she is telling the truth...anything that i have learned from my education is that memory is selective.. only half of what actually happens is actual fact(even though distorted fact) is it possible a mix of alcohol and memory problems made her assume somthing she didnt see? 4) the people on this post have been bashing the doormen for this incodent, i have worked in that industry, it paid for my schooling. To what extent are you all willing to trust the word of just one person...who may or may not have been intoxicated... in my time working in the industry i have known that many people just go out looking for fights.. and there is always someone willing to state the fictional....back in the day it was 20-25 min of talking for every forceful reaction. The amount anyone in a public job puts up with is an unbeleiveable amount of stress ( im not saying pile driving someone is the right way to go). However, if you guys hear a situation and jump to the conclusion over one possible intoxicated opinion, i consider that to be very ignorant. 5) im sorry if what u said is true by your accounts. Consequently, some people push buttons, and once someone has hit the wrong one, it is hard to calm down right away. i have personally been within 6 inches of a few shootings, have almosted been stabbed, spit on, and watched a people be kidnapped within 5 feet of me while working in this industry. I have been verbally and psyically abused multiple times probably 3-4 times a night/per topic. But everyone has their "presure points" when they break. Maybe this person pushed the doorman....pulled a knife?...threatened his life..? im sure you know that you saw 1 instence of the whole picture and are currently jumping to conclusions about it...which is fine. I just want people to realise.....for every 1 pysical altercation...ther eare doorman...stopping date rapes... stopping beatings, murders, stabings, shootings, drug use, fights, all while dealing with these problems..with population of (approx based on bar) of 500-1500 different people per night. now just put yourself in those shoes of the poeple you know that may work at a bar. 2 people pulling a guy around back and beating him forcing charges, and job loss does not seem like a logical way to work..and i am willnig to bet there was more to this story then what has been written previously. - Sun, 3 Dec 2006 12:31pm Edited: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 12:36pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Two words: THAT'S FUCKED (after hearing what Sprocket said about not going back to the Red Lion). But I have to agree, the bouncers who did it should be fired and charged (if that's what actually happened). Man what happened to this city and violence?!? It never was like this when I used to drink and a make a fool out of myself. I used to know the guy who runs Diego's (or whatever it's called now, hey I like the place, it reminds me of Vegas, too bad I couldn't spend the afternoon there drinking CHEAP draft and smoking :( ). I think the Red Lion/Diegos needs to train the bouncers to deal with situations in a proper situation, not do like they did at Grizzly's (?!?) and throw the victim out head first thru the heavy doors and let him lie there to die. - Sun, 3 Dec 2006 12:41pm Edited: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 12:44pm | ||
| Shaggy User Info... | It doesn't matter what led up to it. The bouncers need to be charged. They are to eject people from an establishment, not attempt to bust open someone's skull. I've been ejected from a few bars stateside, many many years ago, and was always just escorted off the premises, not assaulted. This is pretty much a prime example of why I don't go to bar gigs or anything more than small neighborhood pubs or sit at home and have drinks with friends. Edit: abandoned, we're not talking about 1 persons experience in this, we're talking about 3 people's experience on this, as well as Rev Donnie addressing the issue, which is in his typical excellent style. This isn't a perception/memory issue obviously. Might be a good idea to actually read ALL the responses before sticking your foot in your mouth. - Sun, 3 Dec 2006 1:18pm Edited: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 1:24pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | This shit is so sad, I actually got a lump in my throat right now. I have a second dan, and have been training in martial arts for years. I am non violent and can physically deal with most situations without a head strike. I wouldn't do the "doorman" job for less than $25/hr. My point is, that if you want skilled intelligent "doormen", you have to pay cop wages. $13/hr is a joke considering the seriousness and danger of that job. - Sun, 3 Dec 2006 2:21pm Edited: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 2:55pm | ||
| Shaggy User Info... | Donnie. Since I know next to nothing about the training the bouncers go through. Do they actually go through any form of non-violent crisis intervention? If not, it might be something to consider in the future. Not only good for the bouncer, and their resume, but good for business as well. - Sun, 3 Dec 2006 2:52pm | ||
| Sprocket User Info... | I was not drunk, and we left the bar at 9:00 pm, I know what I saw...so do the other 5 girls, so to say my perception of the situation is foggy couldn't be farther from the truth. I am not trying to bash bouncers or the Red Lion as you can see when I started the thread I did not mention the name, i don't think anyone should stop going there, I was hoping someone new the guy this happened to so I could find out if he's ok!.......I won't be going back there, to tell you the truth i'm scared..... its a nice offer Donnie Black, and me and my freinds used to go there all the time until last summer when the bouncers beat that guy at Diego's...none of us stepped foot in there since and the one night we decided to go this happened....... sorry that the name got mentioned....i'm sure the owner does not allow this behavior.... why would he...he has just lost 6 customers and thier boyfreinds....and the guy this happened to.... and probably his freinds its really unfortunate! I expected that this thread would piss some people off.... but i'm not saying all bouncers are bad...or that this just happens at the Red Lion...this incident did, and i'll never be able to get the image of what i saw and heard out of me head.....being a mom I fear the future of this city! - Sun, 3 Dec 2006 5:04pm | ||
| TheTruth User Info... | ok i have just finished reading all this and as to sprocket your verson is distored because i had nothing to drink and i saw everything that happened that night and you werent even there when the incadent began what happend was the guy was treatining the bouncer and tryed to attack him. he had his arms around the bouncers waist trying to tackle him and the bouncer grabed him and threw him off of him. What would anyone do if someone was physical asulting them sit there and allow it??? its called self defence. and there was only one bouncer there as well. and to what you said about him almost assulting you. you walked up and tryed to slap him across the face and he simply said to you "get the F*#k away from me". And the bouncer did not just leave the guy he him self called the ambulance and made sure he was ok. So next time you go bad mouthing people make sure you know the hole story not just come walking up at the end of a situation and assume you know what had happened and for how i know what happened i was sitting in my car for the hole thing. - Sun, 3 Dec 2006 7:30pm | ||
| Sprocket User Info... | your an idiot, i never tried to slap the bouncer...and yes there were two of them, and your right we did not see what happened before, but we saw the outcome and we called 911....check your windshield wipers.....the bouncer was fired..... would he get fired for nothing? besides he pushed two of us girls and neither of us tried to slap him......yeah we were yelling at them...sure.. the guy was half the size of the bouncer..... there is no excuse......you probably work there too....nice try.....and i'm not bad mouthing anyone who deosn't deserve it...you think that kid deserved what he got??? well then don't get your panties in a bunch....these are just words and i'm venting...and i was sober too...so fuck you........ why do you care? ...... how can you say that a pile drive head first into the pavement is ok? the bouncers were big enough to hold the guy and call the cops right?..... - Sun, 3 Dec 2006 8:15pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Fuckin' stupid errors... now I have to re-type this again, I should of buffered it first. The bouncers should of been trained to deal with this situation rather then it getting to the point that it obviously did. Perhaps I should take a page from the movie Roadhouse (yeah I know it's a movie, but it's about bouncers so they had to research it): Dalton: And rule #3, be nice!!! Bouncer: C'mon. Dalton: If somebody gets in your face, and calls you a cocksucker, I want you to be nice. Bouncer: OK Dalton: Ask him to walk, BE NICE, if he won't walk, walk him, but be nice. If you can't walk him one of the others will help you, and you will both, be nice. I want you to remember, it's a job, it's nothing personal. Bouncer 2: Uh huh, being called a cocksucker isn't personal? Dalton: No, it's 2 nouns combined to elicit a prescribed response. Bouncer 2: What if someone called my momma a whore? Dalton: Is she? *chuckle* - Sun, 3 Dec 2006 8:27pm Edited: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 8:43pm | ||
| Sprocket User Info... | oh yeah and all the people who are defending the bouncers..... good for you....but i don't like violence..... and i'm not trying to offend anyone......especially the Red Lion itself.... I want to know if the guy is ok...thats my first concern.......everything else is my own version of the story.... from my own eyes to the keyboard..... so if you can't handle the truth The Truth thats ok..... you saw the whole thing right? we just saw the pile drive and all the blood....but i'm curiuos... how did the guy get himself upside down???? was he doing a cartwheel in front of the bouncer? - Sun, 3 Dec 2006 8:28pm | ||
| XY-SATAN User Info... |  Sounds kind of fishy don't cha think ? Oh and they have 5 eye witnesses and you're just one ? Why the fuk should I believe you more then 5 eye witnesses ? Plus if you where in your car, how did you see the whole thing go down or know why he was getting removed or roughed up ? ….more like you talked to them and KNOW THEM and came here to cause shit .Good Mr Rev. DB was doing damage control and defusing the situation , all you’re doing is stirring up shit. - Sun, 3 Dec 2006 8:30pm Edited: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 8:33pm | ||
| The Truth User Info... | no i dont know them, and no i dont work there either. all i have to say is how was there 5 eye witness's when you your self just said you werent there and i said that yeah the bouncer did throw him but didnt pile drive him i think your watching to much wrestling hun. - Sun, 3 Dec 2006 8:42pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Obviously the bouncer didn't know how to wrestle (and what the hell was he thinking?!?), look at what happened to Steve Austin when Owen Hart fucked up the piledriver?!? You can turn someone into a parapalegic thanks to not cradling the opponents shoulders with the knees (the top of your head might be strong, but the vertibrae gets compressed, ouch!). It might of been a spur of the moment thing, but if the bouncer screwed up he would of been sued, noone deserves to live with an injury like that (and I bet the Lion would love to deal with the local press if a screwup happened). Oh one thing I should admit, I'd hate to be a bouncer, man that job must suck. I suggest that the Lion (as well as any other bar in Victoria or anywhere for that matter) should have their bouncers trained properly!!!! - Sun, 3 Dec 2006 8:49pm Edited: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 8:54pm | ||
| metalqueen User Info... | "the truth"...shut your fucking mouth... the bouncer did not phone the ambulance we did ....plus how the hell does a head get cracked open on the very top ? ......do the fucking math.....its nice to know you were sitting on your sucked off ass while this was going on you pathetic waste of a human!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Sun, 3 Dec 2006 9:06pm Edited: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 9:12pm | ||
| TheTruth User Info... | Yeah the bouncer was on his phone and when i talked to the police offacer later on that night thats what he told me and that the guy must have been alright because he did run away from the ambulance and the attendants after he got to the hospital and refused to give his name. So yeah for such a pathetic waste of a human i didnt do shit. And for westling those guys who can paform those moves they are like 7'0 tall and 4 mabey 5 hundred pounds to do something like that. but im not going to waste my time any more with you people who have nothing better to do but bad mouth me. And situations you dont know all about i just thought i would come on here and write the other side of the story which i saw which was difrenet from what i read on here - Sun, 3 Dec 2006 9:29pm | ||
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| _Griphin_ User Info... | I dunno, regardless of whether or not the person deserved it, the bouncers need to be trained properly (with an emphasis on trained), noone deserves being piledriven into the concrete. But I ask again, TRY living with a head injury. The wrestlers can do piledrivers cause they know how to do piledrivers, not cause there 7'0 tall and 4 maybe 5 hundred pounds. I may not know jack, but I'm a paying customer (emphasis on paying), well not at the moment cause I don't drink (and I've been a customer at the Red Fox since I turned 19 (about 17 years or so)). Though why do I bother posting about this?!? - Mon, 4 Dec 2006 12:01pm Edited: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 12:28pm | ||
| Abandoned User Info... | imagination inflation: your own imagination inflates your beleif that the event really occurred ( Gary & loftus, 2000; Gary & Polaschek, 2000) and BTW.. eye witness accounts rarley stand up in court anymore because of these reasons.. its all empirical evidence now - Mon, 4 Dec 2006 6:30pm Edited: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 6:32pm | ||
| Matteus User Info... | I read about this "training" that people talk about or hope will get implemented, but to be honest... I have NEVER heard of such a thing for door men. EVER. Can someone correct me on this? - Mon, 4 Dec 2006 6:59pm | ||
| XY-SATAN User Info... | _____________________________________________________________ eye witness accounts rarley stand up in court anymore because of these reasons.. its all empirical evidence now _____________________________________________________________ Mah.. Whatever numb nutts ?! Who even said anything about court ? AND if it did go to court , you think they would discount 5 eye wittiness accounts ?! Imagination inflation ?? WTF ? Blahahaha!!!! - Mon, 4 Dec 2006 7:09pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | A friend of mine that is the head bouncer at the Strath teaches self defence (I think) every Thursday in the University Heights mall. He should have a course figured out by now. Wierd, I was under the assumption they taught such a course. - Mon, 4 Dec 2006 7:57pm Edited: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 7:57pm | ||
| Abandoned User Info... | "Who even said anything about court ?" Answer: read the posts...if u charge someone..you generally have to go to court.. "AND if it did go to court , you think they would discount 5 eye wittiness accounts" Answer: it has happened many times before, without evidence, (wells et al., 1998) and lawsuits..... usually bars settle because the cost of going to court would be too much, compared to the cost of settling, not just because they "cannot win". This case would be too easy, discredit the witness...they were at a bar. all you need is one person seeing, one credit receipt.. one video camera image of them buying a beer...when they have said they havent drank and the witness is discredited. "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt"....it only takes one to screw up. "Imagination inflation ?? WTF ? " Answer: Look it up..? get an education?..grow brain cells? i dont care i gave you the people involved in the study and the name...figure it out yourself.. and ya i have heard of Police officer's ect...ex army training doorman, in special courses ** i just wanna say im not saying this did not happen, i just get tired of people who assume things are legit, when there are flaws, intended or not in the story** and am more tired of people bashing others, for posting what could have been, the other side of the story.** "your an idiot" "I think your the dishwasher" "i'm not bad mouthing anyone who deosn't deserve it"- had to laugh at this "so fuck you." and yet again laughable..... "i'm not trying to offend anyone" "so you where surfing the net and or just came across this on a Google ? Hmmm?"- how do you know she is telling the truth? "shut your fucking mouth..." "do the fucking math.." "you pathetic waste of a human!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -" "Whatever numb nutts ?!" all this has been said to people about a situation, that may or may not have even happened. Well its bene fun putting up with ignorance, but i am now done with the thread. Have a good one, if it happened i hope the guy is alright, as for every other ignorant person in here...try opening your eyes - Mon, 4 Dec 2006 8:00pm Edited: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 8:37pm | ||
| ? User Info... | hey sprocket is ur name heather? - Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:03pm | ||
| Sprocket User Info... | ha ha ha ha ha ha......... people like you make me laugh....you come up with all these fancy quotes and words that you think we don't understand, yet you can't spell! oh yeah and have you ever heard of a designated driver that is the one person who goes out with their friends and doesn't drink!.... I don't think anyone in this post is ignorant except for the ones who say we are lying....and that this didn't happen.... did you not read???? the bouncer has been fired... the incedent did happen.....and you are ignorant..... - Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:17am Edited: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:17am | ||
| J User Info... | it may seem cheesy... but at least its a start http://www.securitytrainingsolutions.com/index.php note how they have a human behavior course... perhaps thats the most underminded detail that security/doorpersons miss while taking charge of a situation. But never having experienced a security style of job, i could be very wrong. - Wed, 6 Dec 2006 6:44pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | You know the thought occured to me, there's nowhere that bouncers can go to to be trained at, plus it's not manditory that if your a bouncer you have to take such a course. Interesting... - Wed, 6 Dec 2006 7:47pm | ||
| slik User Info... | "You know the thought occured to me, there's nowhere that bouncers can go to to be trained at," ...actually someone i know runs a training school for bouncers in victoria. - Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:38pm | ||
| Rubber Box User Info... | Do they teach pile driving there? - Thu, 7 Dec 2006 10:56am | ||
| Sprocket User Info... | thanks to everyone who responded, it was interesting to hear every point of view! I was hoping to raise awareness of the growing violence problem in our community!... from actual events that I happened to witness... however I was aware of this before as a close friend of mine was a victim to a similer event!.......I have faith in the people of Victoria that we can work together to make it a safer place for everyone!........... muah....merry christmas!!!! - Sat, 9 Dec 2006 12:57am | ||
| Gman User Info... | "growing violence problem" Do you really believe there is more violence these days than in 'the old days'? When you're a direct witness to shit it is true that it's suddenly more apparent but I wonder if maybe the olden times' drunken sailors would disagree with you there... - Sat, 9 Dec 2006 9:48pm | ||
| DeadBandWalking User Info... | quess what! I heard it happened again there last weekend ...some guy got shitkicked agaian..... by the bouncers...... they should just have police patrolling the place... so any disorderly drunks that are drunk from the booze the bar served them get a safe ride to the tank!!! rather than the hospital or funeral home!...... - Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:38pm | ||
| the jak User Info... | When some drunken ego-maniac can't handle his liquor and These men are hired to fight for a living....I don't think that is exactly true Friday..Im'm pretty sure these guys are hired to prevent fights and other unsavory behavior.....See I think this could be the root of the problem right here because these guys actually belive they have been hired to fight. When some drunken ego-maniac can't handle his liquor and becomes belligerent to a group of guys twice his size, a due ponding is just........Last i checked mouthing off to someone wasn't against the law...so ...i don't know how just a beating is. I'm sure this bozo would have been just as violent to someone else had they not been larger and in greater numbers than he.......Sounds like friday is admitting that the bouncers were way bigger and in greater numbers ....very cowardly if you ask me. the bouncer who was involved is the nicest, most demure guy I have ever met. ...This statment ,considering the bouncer just beat the shit out of a coplete stranger,is so stupid i don't even think i need to comment.....Not to mention that Rev Donnie says that the worlds nicest demure bouncer was relieved of his duties....funny thing to do to a guy who "didn't do anything wrong" as according to Friday. verdict....Friday is a total moron who obviously cares more about the reputation of the red lion than the well being of the people who spend money there and in turn pay the wages of the meatheaded bouncers.... Rev donnie is a good dude...but i think he is missing the point here. The fact is....once you remove a drunk from the bar ,Your work as a bouncer is done...If the guy won't leave the parking lot and is still causing problems then he deserves to end up in a cop car or the drunktank...not the hospital. Also...This isn't the first thread regarding the idot bouncers at the red dog.....Or is it the first bouncer to get shitcanned from the red dog for bieng a little too anxious to punch someones lights out. - Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:15pm | ||
| mean Mike User Info... | Bouncers ruin business.. After the Queens Of The Stoneage debacle at Legends for instance.. Ive never been back. Those bouncers were just post teen meatheads looking for a rumble.. Even bounced an old man who was asking them to stop with the violence on the people having fun.. that was what.. 7-8 years ago now? And still I tell people that story everytime someone mentions Legends and going there.. I know other people at the same concert who also continue to steer people away from Legends to this day. - Sat, 27 Jan 2007 1:53pm | ||
| the JAK User Info... | I know i already commented on this ....but...The fact that buddy is an employee and is saying out right that the bouncers there are hired to fight is enough to keep me and my money away from that place forever...That statement to me speaks volumes about thier policies and adittude.....Fuck Them....I seem to remember a simal post about someone in a band trying to play at deigos and gettin into some sort of fiasco with the bouncers....back then the said "we're fireing the bouncer invoved"..and they even printed an apology in absolute underground....point is ..this isnt the first thread involving violence and the red lion bouncers...and i bet it isn't the last. p.s. the strippers there arent that great - Sat, 27 Jan 2007 3:07pm | ||
| Sprocket User Info... | I Agree!!! - Sat, 10 Feb 2007 1:15am | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | Ya, whats up with that. - Sat, 10 Feb 2007 1:57am | ||
| Landjaeger User Info... | heres a simular story from Nanaimo only with grave results. http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2006/10/23/bc-bar-fight.html - Sat, 10 Feb 2007 6:30am | ||
| Pierce User Info... | Fukin idiots - Sat, 10 Feb 2007 10:53am | ||
| Sprocket User Info... | So I heard on the news the other day that bouncers will have to be liscensed in the next couple of years ...so they will have to do some training.... so I guess then the criteria for becoming a bouncer will be a little more than size and ego! good ... that may save some lives! - Wed, 14 Mar 2007 4:14pm | ||
| dumpstermesh User Info... | As a server I'm required to have Serving it Right training and if I over serve someone who later gets themselves hurt falling down some stairs or walks in front of a car I can be held personally responsible. Not the place of employment but me personally. There has to be some repercussion's for bouncers if they "over bounce" someone. Once there is a training program in place I bet they will feel the weight of responsiblity. - Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:47pm | ||
| Sprocket User Info... | goooooooood...........why are there no woman bouncers? i have seen some pretty burly girls that guys would be afraid of and they wouldn't hit a girl... that just might solve the problem!!!! - Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:51am | ||
| J User Info... | that's a suprising point dumpster.... i do know that servers are liable in that sense. I agree that bouncers should be liable, but in that sense/way of thought; wouldn't the bartender then be held accountable for over-serving?... Now, with that principal, could anyone that gets overserved at a bar hold the bartender then accountable for overserving, in that this said 'person' who was overserved got hurt because he was too drunk while patroning 'said' establishment? - Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:36pm Edited: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:37pm | ||
| Anonymous User Info... | I was at the social club on saturday night with my boyfriend and when the bouncers escorted him out of the bar for protecting me from some dunk ass pushing me around, they somehow gave him a fat lip and put his tooth right though his lip as well, my boyfriend is coverd in buises and cuts because this ass hole bouncer was on a power trip....fuck them!!!! i wish i was a dude...i would would fucking beat this fucker stupid!!! how can they treat people like that!??!! who the fuck do they think the are?! - Mon, 2 Apr 2007 6:15pm | ||
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| Spring-Loaded User Info... | I bet the guy who got fired from the Red Lion works at the Social Club now!!!! doesn't surprise me.....but hopefully now that they need liscences maybe they will get other jobs! where they can't hurt people and get away with it! - Mon, 2 Apr 2007 9:42pm | ||
| Mace User Info... | Who? You mean like the 'V.P.D.' or some other detachment of the 'R.C.M.P.'..? "Probably" - Tue, 3 Apr 2007 4:47pm | ||
| dumpstermesh User Info... | Hmmm J, Good point also. But not everyone who gets bounced was served at that establishment. Obvious drunks aren't let in the door and if they make a scene they could get a beat down. As for the guy getting bounced for getting too drunk while inside - yes, I think it is entirely possible that the bartender or server who served him past his limit could be held liable for his damages especially if he hasn't left the building yet. I'm curious about how this "training" is going to change how bouncers treat their jobs. Some chick was getting tipsy at my work and she tripped and fell on the floor on her way to the bathroom. She tried to sue us. She dropped it eventually but has the nerve to come back. I won't serve her a drop. - Tue, 3 Apr 2007 9:21pm | ||
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