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| Dave Noisy User Info... | Hey all, i'm organizing an animal rights/vegan benefit show on March 20th at the Tea House (thanks Jana!), which is gonna be part of the international 'Meatout' campaign. If you're in a band, or know of a band that agrees that we don't need to eat or use animals, and would want to play that nite, please send me a note. You can try my Hotmail address (above), but i don't check it too often, it's just a spam-magnet. I'd prefer if you used the form at http://www.IslandVeg.com/contact -- thanks! - Dave West Coast Director, ARK-II (Animal Rights Kollective) http://www.ARK-II.com Events Coordinator, VIVA http://www.IslandVeg.com "Activism is my rent for living on this planet." - Alice Walker - Thu, 6 Feb 2003 1:28am | ||
| King Meat | go choke your chicken - Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:50pm | ||
| Dave Noisy User Info... | hmm.. More than 576 million chickens will be raised and killed in Canada for food this year. Close to 9 billion in the US. The chickens already have enough to choke on, the factory farms they're raised in have little ventilation and waste removal, so the ammonia and other toxins from their excrement build up very quickly. It is a very miserable life in those conditions. I would not wish that on anyone. Anyone else want to help raise some awareness on this and similar issues? - Fri, 7 Feb 2003 1:36am | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | you can't be serious........tell me you're not serious, hippy. - Fri, 7 Feb 2003 12:37pm | ||
| Dave Noisy User Info... | Serious about what? Not trivializing the wanton abuse and suffering of other sensitive creatures? Or would you prefer a typical comeback relating to masturbation? I guess some people are more comfortable with this, and i can understand why they'd choose this type of comment or humour. What happens in a factory farm is quite a challenge to witness and deal with. I'm trying to put on a show to raise awareness about something i feel is a very serious issue, and i find most people would agree with a lot of what i have to say when they think about it a bit. Unfortunately, it is very challenging to the status quo, and so reactionary comments are common and expected. If you think that animals should be tortured and eaten, that's fine, do what you want. I have yet to meet a person who can look at what goes on at a factory farm and say 'yeah, that's a good way to treat the animals'. Again, maybe you don�t agree with *everything* i'm saying, but i'm sure you agree with a lot of it. Anyone who's cared for a cat or a dog (or other creature in the home) can easily extend that compassion and empathy to the animals used for food. This is where i focus my efforts to try and make myself and this world a better place, i wish you luck and encouragement with your positive endeavours as well. Finally, i would hope that although you may not agree with the reason i'm putting on a show, you could at least respect that i *am* putting on a show, and contributing to and encouraging Victoria�s music scene. A quick update, we�ve got at least two, and possibly four bands committed to the show, if you�re interested, please contact me soon!! Thanks, and sorry to write so much. =) - Fri, 7 Feb 2003 2:03pm | ||
| Bruck Brock | They are chickens. Who cares if they suffer a little bit to fill our fat tummies. Just dont eat the poison chicken that KFC produces hehe. Personally I prefer free range bird myself.. Vegetarian food is yummy too, but NOTHING and I mean NOTHING on a vegetarians menu even comes close to the excellence of a big juicy New York Steak slathered in Bullseye and dropped on the BBQ with some skewered prawns and a Clamato Ceaser.. mmmmhmm.. - Fri, 7 Feb 2003 2:38pm | ||
| cow | Dave- I'll go to your show. I've been vegetarian for 12 years and am pretty well vegan now. I'm not against eating meat, rather, I'm against how food animals are treated. Don't try to argue with these people, as they are probably just looking for a rise. - Fri, 7 Feb 2003 4:09pm | ||
| Rise | Moo - Sat, 8 Feb 2003 2:25am | ||
| Anonymous | I've been vegetarian my whole life. I feel ill if I eat ice cream, my body's just not used to it. But I love icecream. Booooo for me. But yeah, I am way healthier than nearly everyone I know, never get sick, have little chance of getting a disease, my diet doesn't rape this Earth's resources, or harm it's animals, and I'll never get fat. And I taste waaay better than all you McFilthCancerPooBurger eaters. Being veg is having a conscience./ - Sat, 8 Feb 2003 12:59pm | ||
| Gleamer User Info... | mmmmmmmmm'meat, does a body good. - Sat, 8 Feb 2003 8:06pm | ||
| Dave Noisy | Oh ya! The bands will get free hotdogs, hot chicken wings and all the beer you can drink! - Sun, 9 Feb 2003 1:46am | ||
| GOD | Man cannot survive without chicken wings and steak! - Sun, 9 Feb 2003 5:22pm | ||
| SentencedtoBurn User Info... | Dude, will someone please pass me a walking, clucking, genetically altered chicken breast? Meat good. - Wed, 12 Feb 2003 1:26pm | ||
| Anonymous | ahhh, just the usual boring, brash, ignorant meat-pride reaction. you have no argument, just admit it. and you smell bad too. - Wed, 12 Feb 2003 9:56pm | ||
| Gleamer User Info... | Conversely it could be said that we are witnessing the stereotypical vegitarian/vegan "eating meat is unnatural even though it occurs as a natural function" reaction which is based in no real argument either. If you think about it as humans, not eating meat, something which a vast majority of mammals do, is in fact the most elitest statement of all. - Thu, 13 Feb 2003 11:27pm | ||
| Gleamer User Info... | Ahem... Derivitive - Thu, 13 Feb 2003 11:32pm | ||
| Dave Noisy User Info... | Hi Gleamer, you bring up some interesting points..but i think you need to pay a bit more attention. So far no one has said anything about meat-eating being 'unnatural'. That's not something i would argue against either. I would agree that a small amount of flesh in a humans diet would not be very harmful to your health, and could add some nutritional value, and has been a regular part of our diet. It's definitely not necessary tho, i've gone 13yrs without eating any animal products, and i'm quite healthy. Also, the way that animals are raised and treated is far from natural as well, so i'm not sure how this argument works in favor of eating meat? No other species cooks their meat either..would people be so eager to eat hamburger if it were uncooked? As for the vast majority of animals eating meat, i think that's interesting... The "vast majority" is definitely not accurate, whether you're talking about species, or straight-up numbers of animals. I'd say they're both pretty close tho. For example, in Austalia, there are millions upon millions of kangaroos. You don't see massive herds of carnivores like that ouside the ocean. Traditionally they'd quickly wipe themselves out if their numbers grow. There are also a lot of rabbits out there. With a lot of smaller mammals, it will start to work in favor of the omni's, since many will eat insects (i'm considering insects 'meat', although it's not the kind of meat a lot of North Americans are interested in, even tho it's perfectly 'natural' as well.) heh..i should be a nature show host. - Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:17am | ||
| Gleamer User Info... | I said mammals, not animals. The vast majority of mammals, which is true. but the point I was most interested in was that we cook our food. The statement, which I have heard several times, is not relevant to the issue; We cook our meat, we have altered it. however vegitarians and vegans alter their food just as much if not more. They cook, add spices, and present their food in manners that Animals do not and lack the capability to do. If you eat uncooked grass then I'll eat hunks of ham I guess. - Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:56am | ||
| I was born with canine teeth | I feel like hippy tonight, like hippy tonight! - Fri, 14 Feb 2003 1:22am | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | WAAAAHHHHHHHHHH (I'm a vegetarian now...) WAHHHHHHHHHH - Fri, 14 Feb 2003 1:38am | ||
| Vicious | I'm not vegetarian, but about half my friends are, so I'll be sure to come out, maybe see some good bands, and tell my veggie friends. Good for you on the cause, at least you care enough to get involved, even if people don't agree with it. - Fri, 14 Feb 2003 1:03pm | ||
| ticklefish | I agree that factory farming is repulsive. But I do not agree that veganism is the logical response. What is needed is more pressure towards organic/free range meat/diary/poultry/fish etc. products. The real devil is the model of exponential growth economics being forced on a world of finite resources which leads to all these other things. I was a vegetarian for about 8 years, but now eat meat and fish in smaller doses, mostly free range or organic, but sometimes not. Animal husbandry lies at the root of our civilization, it was the only way that people could get enough nutrition off of a smaller piece of land to enable larger groups of people to get together which fueled specialization and civilization roughly 10,000 yrs ago. This isn't some wild-eyed theory, you will find this in any anthropology course or human ecology text. But, power to you. - Fri, 14 Feb 2003 5:50pm | ||
| Animals | Animals are my friends. I eat my friends - Sat, 15 Feb 2003 2:20pm | ||
| Farm boy | If Humans didn't control the population and breeding of livestock, they would erase themselves off the planet through inbreeding in under 20 years. No shit. Especially cows. - Wed, 19 Feb 2003 5:51pm | ||
| gaylord frenzy | Madame Lily Fawn (jana "the little") and David Chenery are willing to play your veggie show!!! Is there room for us to? What other bands are playing? Will there be yummie goodies to eat! Can we eat You? *t-t-f-n* - Mon, 24 Feb 2003 1:44am | ||
| Anonymous | I'll bring ginger snaps! - Mon, 24 Feb 2003 4:43pm | ||
| Teeth are for meat | Funny how vegans always talk about being so healthy compared to anyone else, when most are at least 25 pounds underweight,are more pale than a zombie from "Night of the Living Dead", and need to be tied down in a windstorm so they wont blow away. - Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:20pm | ||
| little bear | have any of you studied the theroy of blood types, I have and it is kinda interesting. There may be some body types that do better as a vegan/ vegetarian. I notice a big difference in myself when I experiment with my diet, and I definately do better with out meat and dairy. (aside from the fact that factory farms are gross....even organic milk doesn't agree with my body) But about being healthy, well that is purely how you eat vegan or not, processed food is all around us and it is not healthy. fuzzy bunny press - Tue, 25 Feb 2003 6:38pm | ||
| Dave Noisy User Info... | Weee � it�s gotten busy! Gleamer � my mistake, i meant mammals as well, and you�ll see it applies as well. And with mammals, i�m pretty certain that �vast majority� is rather inaccurate.. What makes you think that, say, 80% of all mammals eat meat? Do you mean species or populations? Either way, i�m not sure it�s an accurate description. My rather uneducated guess would be that the split would be closer to the middle.. Humans can�t digest grass, period, and there are often parasites and other infectious organisms living in raw (or undercooked) flesh, so i really don�t recommend eating it raw (which really further bolsters the idea that we�d be better off eating more plants, since the acid in our stomachs don�t destroy these organisisms like they do in a carnivore.) Most food poisoning in the US and Canada is attributed to animal foods. ticklefish - already most of the corn and wheat grown in Canada and the US is fed to farmed animals (70-80%), and much of the land used for crops is used for this, what do you think would happen if the entire world (rather than 330 million on one of the most spacious continents) started eating more meat? Also, you can get a LOT more food from growing plants on a plot of land than keeping an animal and feeding him/her. 2.5 acres of land can grow enough potatoes for 22 people, rice for 19 people, corn for 17 people or wheat for 15 people. Or, enough chicken or milk for 2 people, or eggs or beef for one person. I believe plant agriculture is what made food more available, not animal agriculture. (The animals need to eat too, and since a small plot of land can�t possibly sustain very many animals, you have to grow food for them too, which is a waste. At least 16lbs of grain and considerable amounts of water are required to produce a pound of beef.) teeth for meat - funny, i�d argue that most meat eaters are over-weight or obese. There are many more illnesses associated with being overweight than being lean. (25lbs underweight sounds rather exaggerated..i�m 5�10, 160lbs, very little fat � are you saying i should weigh 185lbs?? Beefcake!!) little bear - i believe the blood-type diet is not really based on any solid science, and has never been peer-reviewed, nor stood up to any other independent testing, here�s an interesting read on it: http://www.vegsource.com/klaper/diet.htm And thanks to everyone for their positive, constructive and interesting thoughts! The show is coming along great, we�re looking at the following bands for the show: The Immaculate Machine The Lonesome Valley Singers Tough as Nails and me -- Dave Noisy We might be able to squeeze another musician or band in, lemme know asap if you�re interested! I�m also hoping to get a fun cooking demo from Sarah and Tanya of �How It All Vegan�. =) Ciao for now everyone, - Dave - Tue, 25 Feb 2003 8:25pm | ||
| Anonymous | Eating meat doesnt cause weight gain genius, it's all the fat. Eat skinless chicken breast(free range) or fish, and you wont gain an ounce of fat. Now I can understand your concern for the ethical treatment of animals, but your argument,nutrition wise, doesn't have a leg to stand on.Those who consume lean types of meat and eat a balanced diet will always be stronger, faster, healthier and mentally keener than those who consume a strictly "vegan" diet. 9 - Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:01pm | ||
| Dave Noisy User Info... | I�m sorry �noname�, but i find your posting is quite misinformed. I�d be interested to hear where you get your information from. (And why you feel the need to post completely anonymously..?) Eating fats in animal products (or veggies) won�t �make� you fat. (Dunno how we got on this topic, i never said that meat makes you fat..?) Being inactive and eating a lot of calories will (and fat is a good way to get a lot of calories very quickly.) Chicken breast, i believe, is surprisingly low in fat, but most of the rest of the chickens body has a lot of fat within the muscle fibre, and for the most part is just as fatty as beef (a common misconception about chicken flesh). Look it up on the USDA food charts. Fish is also relatively high in fat as well. (Especially compared to plant-based foods.) Saturated fats are a very significant factor in cardiovascular disease, which kills about half the people who die each year. They�ve also been linked (along with other animal products) to many cancers. You�ve never heard your doctor say �eat less brocolli and tofu, or it�s gonna kill you!� That�s not the stuff blocking your arteries or encouraging cancer-growth either. Saturated fats are most common in animal-based foods, and anything fried. Whole plant foods are very low in saturated fats. As for your last sentence, if you truly believe that diet is THAT powerful a force, then you might really benefit from a vegan diet. =) A lot of veggies have outperformed �meat-eaters�, Carl Lewis really started to clean up in the medals dept. after going vegan, and that�s what he attributes his boost to. Stan Price is the world record holder in the bench press and is veggie. Martina Narvatilova is another vegan champ. As for veggie brains, Einstein was pro-veggie, George Bernard Shaw was, and many current thinkers, as well as past thinkers like Pythagorus and Leonardo DaVinci. More veggie folks can be found at: http://www.famousveggie.com I would never argue that a vegan could outperform a meat-eater. To base this on diet alone is quite silly. It�s about as accurate as saying people from LA can outperform people from San Francisco. I think it'd be accurate to say that atheletes could benefit from eating more plant foods. Plants undoubtedly have a lot more to offer. Thanks tho, for recognizing the cruelty that is a part of animal agriculture. This is my main motivation for promoting veganism and animal rights. You wouldn�t do this to a dog or cat, why would you pay for this to happen to a cow or pig or chicken? I don�t think most people really aware of what happens to these animals. It�s really quite terrible and heartbreaking. From now on i�m not going to bother replying to postings with out any factual content, i really sorry but i don�t have time for this.. If you have questions, i�ll be happy to try to answer them, but i�m not going to respond to unfounded claims. (Feel free to do your own research too, there's a lot of info available in books, and the internet. Becoming Vegan by Davis and Melina is a great reference book, and http://www.pcrm.org and http://www.vegsource.com both have a lot of great, well-researched and thorough info.) Peas out, - Dave - Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:36pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | blablablablablaaaaaaaaaaa - Wed, 26 Feb 2003 4:54pm | ||
| Wreaker of Havoc User Info... | I only eat meat that grows on a tree like salami, balogna, pepperoni etc. - Wed, 26 Feb 2003 4:58pm | ||
| Brett | if we didn't eat them, then they would never be raised!! think of all the poor cows and chickens that would never have the chance to live if didn't mass produce them - Wed, 26 Feb 2003 6:22pm | ||
| Ginger-ly | I need to get in touch with Ross Bay, can anyone help me out?? - Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:03pm | ||
| Anonymous | You want to touch Ross Bay where? - Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:17pm | ||
| Anonymous | yeah, he's fucking on here 24/7. that's how you get a hold of him. - Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:29pm | ||
| Ginger-ly | Yeah, well this is the first time i've used this thing, but thanks anyway - Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:33pm | ||
| rat | anyone here heard of bioaccumulation and bioconcentration? if not, listen up. each step up the food chain toxins are magnified by a factor of 10. this means that if a kg of grass has 1 gram of pesticides, a kg of cow will have 10 grams of pesticides and a kg of human will have 100 grams of pesticides. this of course is assuming cow eats grass, human eats cow. those numbers are a little exagerated but i wanted to make the point that meat and other animal products can be very unhealthy and even dangerous to consume especially some fish as they are often higher up the food chain than many mammals. also, with each trophic level there is a loss of 90% of the food energy. think about all the plants people feed to animals only to have a 90% loss, seems kinda stupid. the worst part is that people do all this harm to themselves, to other humans by wasting perfectly good food and to the earth and then torture and murder these animals. there are many reasons to not eat non-human animals, if you aren't going to respect Them respect your own body and stop poisoning it. what is with all the stupid comments? i am embarrassed to be human most of the time but even more so when i hear some of the things people say (or post).i have been veggie for 16 years and vegan for 5, i am healthier and stronger than almost anyone i know. rock on sorry if this is a repeat, i did not read all the posts. - Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:49pm | ||
| S.V. | Click his name for his email addie...nice & simple :) - Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:13pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | Feel better now twiggy? blablablaaaa......... - Thu, 27 Feb 2003 6:02am | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | Huwhu? - Thu, 27 Feb 2003 6:07am | ||
| Ginger-ly | I wrote you an email, didn't you get it? I was looking for a phone number, hoping you could help me out?? - Thu, 27 Feb 2003 1:02pm | ||
| Anonymous | online drug deals. nice. - Thu, 27 Feb 2003 1:09pm | ||
| the tea house | Dave, don't forget to bring down the posters for your show. The tea house is happy to support your benefit. - Thu, 27 Feb 2003 5:14pm | ||
| KnifeGhost User Info... | I'll be at the show, as will my two vegan roommates.... That many animals species eat meat means nothing other than that there is nothing unnatural (nor, I would say, morally reprehensible) about eating the meat of other species... IE: it doesn't mean that we _should_ eat meat.... Though I would contend that there is nothing inherently wrong with eating meat or other animal products, we are prefectly capable of feed ourselves healthily without doing so...... What I do think is morally reprehensible is the _way_ we use animals and their byproducts.... Growing up, we had the luxury of having a grandpa that raised his own bison... I don't feel bad about eating that meat... Well, I do a bit in a Bambi-is-cute way, but they're grown free range, they aren't handled the same way beef cattle are, blah blah... Grandpa loves his bison and raises them in a (relatively) humane way.... >>>>>>>>>>> The real devil is the model of exponential growth economics being forced on a world of finite resources which leads to all these other things. >>>>>>>>>>> I agree.... The expansionist surplus economy is one of the roots to this whole problem.... Have you read any Daniel Quinn? It's amazing.... That said, two of my roommates are vegans... We cook most meals collectively, and I have therefore been eating an essentially vegan diet for the last 6-8 weeks.... It's delicious, it's filling, and I'm eating better here than we were before...... Ok, that's a bit of a rant.... In short, I'll be there for the show, especially if you can get Sarah and Tanya there!! - Thu, 27 Feb 2003 8:00pm | ||
| Anonymous | I'll be there too. Dave, I'm wondering about animal products used in Vitamins and am too lazy right now to research. I don't usually take vitamins, becacuse I try to eat like a healthy vegetarian/mostly vegan should, in order to get everything my body needs, but sometimes it can't hurt to take some extra Vitamin C or B12 when you're feeling low, right? What can you tell me about the gross stuff that I don't want to be eating in Vitamins? I assume there's nothing in alot of them like Vitamin C, but what about B12 and E? animal derived? I guess it probably depends on the company. Any thoughts? - Fri, 28 Feb 2003 2:50pm | ||
| ticklefish | Hey Dave, I wasn't advocating anybody eating more meat, as I am well aware of the consequences of that. Although I am a musician, which is why I frequent this board, like most musicians here I don't make my money with my tunes. I am a professional ecologist...that's my paycheque. Check out "Guns, Germs and Steel" by Jared Diamond: plant domestication and animal domestication go hand in hand, you couldn't have had one without the other. Animal domestication also influenced civilization development not just due to food, but labour, transport and very importantly: disease. People with domesticated animals were more immune to animal borne pathogens (which were extremely common and affected people at numerous points in history) by nature of inherited immunity (the ones who weren't immune died and had no children). I am not saying "go eat meat", but I am saying I do not believe the world's problems will be solved by advocating veganism,. It is a bandaid on a sucking chest wound. We need full-scale reexamination of our place in the world. - Fri, 28 Feb 2003 5:41pm | ||
| meateater User Info... | Makes me hungry for a triple hamburger. Yum. - Fri, 28 Feb 2003 6:33pm | ||
| jana | Hello to whoever posted about the vitamins, I was a nutritional consultant in a vitamin store for 7 years. If you want to email me with your questions I would be happy to help you. - Sat, 1 Mar 2003 3:47pm | ||
| Anonymous | I don't know why people even bother trying to argue with vegans. Everyone knows it's not polite to argue with somone when they're on their high horse... - Sun, 2 Mar 2003 1:47pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | ex - fucking - actly - Sun, 2 Mar 2003 2:30pm | ||
| Anonymous | well too bad ross bay, because you certainly seem to have a good argument there. ha! "you can't be serious........tell me you're not serious, hippy" "WAAAAHHHHHHHHHH (I'm a vegetarian now...) WAHHHHHHHHHH" "blablablablablaaaaaaaaaaa" wow, I'm convinced. Let's go eat some cow! - Sun, 2 Mar 2003 6:07pm | ||
| Vegan Reich | My favorite was "feel better now twiggy?". Perfect for getting under your vegan/Nazi skin. - Sun, 2 Mar 2003 11:41pm | ||
| doug | hey dave I'm impressed. You've taken the time to give some seriously good informed answers to a few people who were as informed as gary colman about his bank account. I'm an.. omnivore? whatever I eat both meat and the suff meat eats. But you've scored a point for the vegi-vegan-vegetarian-hacki-sac-playin team with your dedication to your show and ideals. I'll be there even though the immaculate machine isn't very good - Mon, 3 Mar 2003 3:38am | ||
| Kernel32 | ILL TELL YA WHAT! AFTER I BREAK THAT CUTE LITTLE CHICKENS HEART, IM GONNA MASH IT UP FOR CHICKEN HEART PIE!! - Mon, 3 Mar 2003 1:04pm | ||
| Anonymous | Lonesome Valley Singers, Tough As Nails, Immaculate Machine Dave Noisy I've seen all the bands except for Dave Noisy and I thought that they were all three truly good bands, and totally completely different. should be interesting. I'll be there. - Mon, 3 Mar 2003 2:45pm | ||
| Anonymous | the lonesome valley singers kick ass! - Fri, 7 Mar 2003 4:30am | ||
| Dave Noisy User Info... | Hey everyone, just a quick note to let you know the show is gonna rock, Sarah from How It All Vegan will be putting on a cooking demo, and we'll have vegan treats for sale as well -yum! Visit http://www.IslandVeg.com/meatout for more info! - Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:54pm | ||
| curious | can you eat honey? - Fri, 14 Mar 2003 1:02am | ||
| Anonymous | Gelatin-gelatin is a protein obtained by boiling skins, ligaments, tendons, or bones Rennet-used in many cheeses, sometimes comes from calves' stomachs Wool-wool is often overlooked as an animal product, and sheep are often abused when bred for wool Beeswax-this is used in many candles, creams, and cosmetics, and may be humanely collected. However, in commercial beekeeping facilities, all the bees may be killed at the end of the production season. Feathers-used in many pillows, etc. Honey-many bees die while producing honey Silk-slaughtering silkworms for their silk is done by boiling, baking, or steaming the live worm directly in its cocoon Products that are not tested on animals may still contain slaughterhouse by-products. Ingredients such as collagen, placenta, enzymes, hydrolized animal protein, keratin, fatty acids and elastin are derived from the bone, cartilege and connective tissues of slaughtered animals. Quanine-used to add a shimmer to cosmetics, comes from fish scales Mink Oil-popular lubricating additive in cosmetics Cosmetic, hair and paint brushes are often made of animal hair Shaving cream may contain hyaluronic acid, a lubricant derived from umbilical cords, rooster combs and joint fluid Many perfumes contain castor, civet and musk, ingredients extracted from around the genitalia of wild-caught beavers, civet cats and small Asian deer Shoe Polish-many commercial shoe polishes may contain cow blood Sugar is often filtered through charred animal bones Apple juice and vinegar are typically clarified using gelatin Most non-dairy creamers and cheeses, contain casein, derived from cows' milk Antifreeze and hydraulic brake fluid contain slaughterhouse by-products Car polish has beeswax or mink oil Ink contains animal ingredients, and the felt in felt-tip pens may be made from animal hide and hair Glue, crayons and chalk contain fatty acids derived from pigs, chewing gum contains oleo stock, derived from beef fat Garden fertilizers often contain "all natural" bone meal (macerated cow bones); dried blood; finely shredded chicken feathers; fish guts, heads and tails; and urea Urea, also called carbamide, an antiseptic extracted from human or animal urine, is used in deodorants, mouthwash and creams Many drugs contain animal ingredients. Cortisone comes from cow livers; vitamin D deficiency drugs are extracted from hog brains�heparin from the thyroid gland and growth drugs from the pituitary. Hog blood enzymes dissolve human blood clots, sheeps' blood is used to diagnose infections and X-ray film contains gelatin. Cows' blood is being developed as a human plasma substitute. Pig skin is used to treat burns, and insulin usually comes from cow or pig pancreas - Fri, 14 Mar 2003 2:16am | ||
| Anonymous | . - Sat, 15 Mar 2003 6:53pm | ||
| Better tie em down, might blow away | Bravo on the last post! Looks like you vegan seeds still have "blood" on your hands after all. Just like the vegan I met in D.C. that was wearing leather shoes. Too bad most vegans really use thier "veganism" to sit on a high horse, while still living a middle-class lifestyle that does more to waste and exploite on this planet than anything else. Show me one vegan who doesn't use the products listed above. Well? Exactly. Now shut the fuck up, hypocrites. - Sun, 16 Mar 2003 10:17pm | ||
| Aja User Info... | well I disagree with your theory of vegans sitting on high horses, sometimes people go vegan just because it is healthier for there body type, or because they don't agree with animal cruelty, how is that sitting on a high horse?......... little bear - have any of you studied the theroy of blood types, I have and it is kinda interesting. There may be some body types that do better as a vegan/ vegetarian. I notice a big difference in myself when I experiment with my diet, and I definately do better with out meat and dairy. (aside from the fact that factory farms are gross....even organic milk doesn't agree with my body) But about being healthy, well that is purely how you eat vegan or not, processed food is all around us and it is not healthy. fuzzy bunny press - I totally agree with this, my blood type is 'A' and ever since I went vegan I have felt a lot healthier, and have more energy. I know people who are blood type 'O' that cant live without meat........ I was a vegetarian a few years ago then went back to meat eating, when I started eating meat again I always felt lazzy and tired, meat just doesn't agree with me..... so a good thing to check is your blood type and the type of food you should eat that goes along with your blood type. Wont miss the show, haven't heard of a vegan gig for a while. - Mon, 17 Mar 2003 1:22am | ||
| Anonymous | Still no vegans that don't use the wide range of products listed above? I thought so. Looks like the "high horse" shrunk a bit. Defeated!!! - Mon, 17 Mar 2003 9:04pm | ||
| Dave Noisy User Info... | Wow, you're right, great point! Better start eating meat again. Don't wanna miss out on being responsible for as much misery and death as possible! Until then...don't forget the show is this Thursday, only two more sleeps, yay! http://www.IslandVeg.com/meatout for more info! - Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:41am | ||
| Anonymous | Just a bit of info for those of you who think Vegans and Vegetarians are skinny and healthy: 1. Beans have higher fat content than meat, including tofu. 2. Wheat Gluten is one of the worst carbohydrates for anyone to eat, found in most vegetarian foods. 3. not to mention rice, which while abundant in vitamins has a high carb count. White rice is pure sugar, the body cannot even break it down, which mean insulin levels shoot through the roof. I became a vegetarian and gained more than 20 pounds! It's been so long now though, that I have been trying to implement meat into my diet. It is super hard when you havn't eaten it in a long time. MEAT is not bad, UNLESS it has antibiotics. EAT FREE RANGE!!! - Thu, 20 Mar 2003 7:09pm | ||
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Haute Curations
We sell original giclee canvas art prints to businesses
Victoria BC
Open / Operational
Arts On View Society
The Arts On View Society continues to operate Hermann's Jazz...
753 View Street Victoria BC
Open / Operational
