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Honest thoughts on Metal (esp goregrind/rapecore/whatever
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| Destroy_The_Flesh User Info... |  Out of serious curiosity I wanted to know what people thought about mainly Lyrics that centre on Rape/Serialkillers/Torture etc Personally I find most of it to be a rather large bring down.It sort of sucks the enjoyment out of being a metalhead.Morbid and undead/fantasy based ok, but some lyrics just seem to exploit examples of pain that are a lot closer to real life for many people. Stay Bru-tacularly Evil And remember kids you can't spell Funeral without F U N - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 2:38pm Edited: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 2:53pm | ||
| jeff User Info... | well if a band sings about rape or anything like else like that it usually means they cant write for shit because thats what I write about,its just something to write about it doesnt mean I want to do the things I sing about or write about,also I'm not telling people to kill or rape people,and when I sing you can bearly understand what I'm saying and I dont plan on releasing lyrics if I ever release anything so I dont know what the big deal is.and if your losing injoyment because of bands singing about rape or gore your taking it way there lyrics way to seriously - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 3:57pm Edited: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 4:06pm | ||
| Destroy_The_Flesh User Info... | Iam not really thinking Cannibal Corpse so much , probably because the perpetrator was usually rotten and dead already(Fantasy) Or it was like a horror movie scene.The lyrics that seem to me out of balance are the ones that are using realistic cruelty for attention.Think Traces of Death, do I think real death should be entertainment , no. Do I frequently tug my junk to films like Dead Alive or The Beyond...yes...yes I do. - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 4:54pm Edited: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 5:17pm | ||
| KnifeGhost User Info... | Look, gore, serial murder, torture, that's all well and good. It's pretty amusing. It hasn't happened to a really disgusting large proportion of the population, and those overwhelmingly women. Rape isn't funny. Ever. You have every right to sing about it if you want, but I have every right to think you're a fucking douchebag prick for it. - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 6:09pm Edited: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 6:11pm | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | I don't really pay attention to lyrics of bands. I listen to metal because of the music. You can step over the line however with lyrics. Usually if I can't understand it, I will be okay with it. But you better be a decent band. - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 6:14pm Edited: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 6:21pm | ||
| jeff User Info... | yes but how will you know I'm singing about it if you can't understand what I'm singing, and there is no lyrics sheet.And why are you ok with torture or gore why is rape such a huge deal, I'm just trying to understand your logic. - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 7:50pm Edited: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 7:54pm | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | well if you have descriptive titles then, well i might be suspect to it. - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 7:56pm Edited: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 7:57pm | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | When I was younger I used to not have any problem with lyrics at all. But there were times when they would really be prominent and unavoidable and then it would really bug me (ie. Fleshgrind's song about a father raping his daughter). That was probably the point where I was like "... hmm I should probably reevaluate some of this." I totally agree with Dave that fantasy/silly gore and murder lyrics are not a huge deal, but when it becomes overtly graphic and a little too close to home then it definitely crosses some kind of line. However, I guess it's a mission accomplished because most of these acts are most likely trying to be as shocking as possible. Rape is still absolutely not acceptable in my eyes. Not like "Rape the bastard Nazarene" or anything like that, but malicious domination over women. NOT COOL. Yes, my band covered "Stripped, Raped, and Strangled" by CC, but that was mostly because it was easy and, in some respects, is a death metal staple. I prefer intelligent, polysyllabical, symbolic, almost poetic lyrics (and after all that I probably spelled half of this wrong). Rape and gore seems to be a lame cop out. Like Jeff said "well if a band sings about rape or anything else like that it usually means they cant write for shit". - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 8:24pm Edited: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 8:38pm | ||
| MURDALIZER User Info... | Fuck all dat death n rape shit, unicorns n rainbows be ware its at, mufuggin juxtaposition y'all. If u don't believe in what u be singin bout, why bother? - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 8:40pm Edited: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 8:45pm | ||
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| jeff User Info... | well what I dont understand is why people accept gore and death but not rape, why is killing someone and eating there flesh so much more acceptible then raping someone?,I just dont get it,personally I dont fuckin care what bands write about I just love the music and thats all that matters, I mean I don't know any bands that really want to do the things they write about (aka Cannibal Corpse,Deicide and other bands) - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:22pm Edited: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:29pm | ||
| Andy McBeer User Info... | Don't get me started on Michael Moore. He can't be trusted any more than George Bush can. - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:33pm Edited: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:33pm | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | Rape is apart from murder. Sexual crimes are much more harrowing to me than death. You can "accidentally" kill someone, but you can't "accidentally" rape someone. - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:51pm Edited: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:52pm | ||
| Andy McBeer User Info... | I don't know, man... this one time, there was this banana peel.... - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:56pm Edited: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:56pm | ||
| Destroy_The_Flesh User Info... | I heard about that banana peel...he's a cold mutha - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:04am Edited: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:04am | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | The subject material might be offensive without the proper music backing it up, there's just something about the right riff with the right lyric. - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:28am Edited: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:30am | ||
| MisterNasty User Info... | Creating horrific, evil, creepy, over the top deathmetal and doing it well is a great art form. Just like a good horror movie or a brutal painting. I for one take great pride in following the fine tradition of keeping deathmetal sick and doing my best to properly represent the most extreme form of music known to man. If you dont like it, dont listen to it.... - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:57am Edited: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 2:46am | ||
| Platoon User Info... | Don't like it? Don't listen to it. - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 9:44am Edited: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 9:44am | ||
| Andy McBeer User Info... | Yes, in all seriousness, if you don't like songs about rape, then you really shouldn't listen to songs about rape. It's that simple. There've been tons of fictional movies out there that have depicted rape. Why? Because rape is a real subject that we can't just close our eyes and turn away from. Music is about life, and part of life is accepting that there are some sick, horrible things out there. We must never forget the viciousness that some humans are capable of, or we ourselves become prey. Now, I'm not saying I support people who sing about how raping women is a good idea, but those that sing about it as a real thing that happens every day, they should be allowed to continue to do so and I have no problem with them. - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:22am Edited: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:25am | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | I agree, don't listen to what you don't support. - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:30am Edited: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:32am | ||
| moron User Info... | I have a question. . .how many of the folks here posting against say, "rape" themed lyrics in death metal happen to have racist themed black metal lurking in their collections? I've seen an awful lot of Norwegian black metal shirts at shows, some on folks posting in this thread. I doubt that anyone here is pro-rape but if you are going to draw a line over dark themes in entertainment, seems odd to single out rape over all the other death and destruction out there. I mean really, is anyone here dumbass enough to think that Cannibal Corpse (or more pointedly, Abuse from Vancouver) lyrics are an instruction manual to how one should behave? If you think that fantasy metal lyrics are "real" then you obviously have bigger problems and should seek professional help. I'd hazard that the hardcore mysognists here would be so regardless of whether they were listening to Deicide or something from Lillith Fair. You learn mysogeny from your parents anyway, long before you are old enough to what the fuck metal is. IMHO Cheers - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:37am Edited: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:50am | ||
| Platoon User Info... | This is a Cannibal Corpse song that Shawn and Mitochondrion have covered. It is one of my favorite Cannibal corpse tunes. 3. Stripped, Raped And Strangled [Music by Webster, Owen, Barret] They think they know who I am All they know is I love to kill Face down, dead on the ground Find me before another is found I come alive in the darkness Left murdered and nameless Dead unburied and rotten Half eaten by insects She was so beautyful I had to kill her Tied her up And taped her mouth shut Couldn't scream Raped violently Rope tight, around her throat Her body twitches As she chokes Strangulation caused her death Just like all the others Raped before and after death Stripped, naked, tortured They're all dead, they're all dead They're all dead, by strangulation I come alive in the darkness Left murdered and nameless Dead unburied and rotten Half eaten by insects It felt so good to kill I took their lives away 7 dead, lying rotten Unburied victims their naked bodies putrefy Strangulation caused her death Just like all the others Raped before and after death Stripped, naked, tortured They're all dead, they're all dead They're all dead, by strangulation I come alive in the darkness Left murdered and nameless Dead unburied and rotten Half eaten by insects They think they know who I am All they know is I love to kill Face down, dead on the ground Find me before another is found - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:17pm Edited: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:18pm | ||
| KnifeGhost User Info... | "well what I dont understand is why people accept gore and death but not rape, why is killing someone and eating there flesh so much more acceptible then raping someone?," The main difference is that cannibalism and violent gory murder isn't something that happens all the fucking time. That's the difference for me. It's not something people think is ok. I'm not making the case that there are lots of people out there who think that rape isn't bad, but there are a lot of people with stupid misogynistic ideas that make it easier for rape to keep happening. If 50%+ women were tortured, I would be every bit as touchy about torture lyrics. Now, I agree that it isn't the case that all _portrayals_ of rape are bad and wrong. The example that comes to mind is Polly by Nirvana. Portrayal doesn't equal advocacy. That said, the more sensitive an issue is (which is kind of a function of the combination of how horrible and how common it is) the greater the responsibility to handle it sensitively. Lest you look like a douchebag. This isn't about what people should or shouldn't be allowed to say. Anyone who questions my belief in freedom of speech should feel invited to say specifically how I appear to oppose it, and I will gladly respond. OF COURSE I don't listen if I don't like the lyrics. I was asked what I think, I responded. Sing about what you want, be aware that you look like a little kid. Oh, and moron, good point on the black metal, but the reason nobody's criticized it is that it hasn't come up. If anyone asked what I think of hatecore or white power oi music or whatever, damn sure I'd respond. - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 4:33pm Edited: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 4:45pm | ||
| jeff User Info... | wow dude you really are limiting yourself to some fuckin awsome music just because of the lyric content. - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 5:37pm Edited: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 5:37pm | ||
| moron User Info... | Happens every flippin' day knifeghost: http://dahrjamailiraq.com/gallery/ That's what makes hassling a kid over his obviously non-serious band name so utterly ridiculous. Cheers - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 6:08pm Edited: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 6:13pm | ||
| Sati User Info... | I've got to run, so hopefully I can say all this right: The bleeding came out in '94, when most of you were either really young teenagers or pre-teen boys. There wasn't as much like it out there, so it was a new thing for everyone. So of course you got off on the adrenaline rush of that song and probably wouldn't have had much real info/understanding of what we're discussing here. I'm the same way (more like a teenage boy than most, haha) in that I respond to music and energy first and think about the lyrics after, if I ever even get to that point. When I walk into a show or hear music at a party, I just start responding to it, I don't start deciphering what the guy's saying first in order to make my decision. I'd be resistant too - to completely writing off MUSIC that I've loved that has really inspired me to do what I do, just cuz my brain is picking it apart and analyzing it now. I don't think anyone here is saying that either. But now that we know better, and we have a access to a whole lot, we can be more discerning about what we choose to support. -bye! - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 6:27pm Edited: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 6:33pm | ||
| MisterNasty User Info... | Has anybody here ever listened to Eminems 'Marshall Mathers' album? If not I suggest you go download songs such as: 'Kim', 'Kill You' and 'Criminal'. These songs contain some of the most mysogynistic, hateful and murderous lyrics I have ever heard. How many music awards did this album recieve? How many children bought it and memorized every lyric? Ask anybody who knows anything about hip hop and they will tell you this is one of the greatest albums of all time. Maybe one day some of these political metalheads will catch up with the rest of the world... - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 6:40pm Edited: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 7:03pm | ||
| Platoon User Info... | ... - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 8:07pm Edited: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 8:08pm | ||
| Dr.DoomXXX User Info... | I think the big difference between rape and murder lyrics is most of us have enjoyed a horror flic before, but how many of us have gone out and watched a movie based on multiple rape scenes one after the other? I've never even heard of anything like that outside of snuff and the majority of people wouldn't bother watching because it's not entertainment. I was recently devoured and had my intestines eaten in the making of the third meat market and it was fun. If someone was to simulate a rape scene I doubt they'd be enjoyinjg themselves. If I don't like the music I won't listen to it and that's always been my M.O. and Mr.Nasty if I hear any feminem when I boat over to party with you next week i'll likely pour some beer on the speakers. \m/ - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 8:09pm Edited: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 8:20pm | ||
| jeff User Info... | so your saying if rape was considered entertaning it would be ok to have it in lyrics,just becasue something is entertaning it shouldn't be more acceptible or less acceptible then something that isn't. - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 8:29pm Edited: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 8:36pm | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | Eminem is mainstream rap. No one that I've spoken to, who legitmately likes hip-hop respects Eminem. His coureer is a sole reaction of shock value. The only reason they gave him awards is because he's a DANGEROUS WHITE BOY WITH SHOCKING LYRICS. That's it. Plus equating the success of metal to the success of mainstream music, any form of it, is ludicrous. In the mainstream people DON'T care about what the message of the music is. Fact. - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 9:55pm Edited: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:06pm | ||
| moron User Info... | There are no shortage of rape movies, rape revenge movies, child abuse movies, etc. and people must like them as they keep on making them. http://www.imdb.com/find?s=kw&q=rape I guess you are not a fan of films such as: A Clockwork Orange Raging Bull Evil Dead Deliverance Natural Born Killers Bad Lieutenant etc., etc. Rape is unfortunately part of the human condition so of course it will be portrayed in art. Cheers - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:08pm Edited: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:21pm | ||
| Platoon User Info... | The contradictions and hipocrisies on this board are astounding. - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:15pm Edited: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:17pm | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | You'd think it would be hypocritical when I said that "don't really pay attention to lyrics of bands. I listen to metal because of the music." and then "In the mainstream people DON'T care about what the message of the music is." Insinuating that I listen to underground music because of the lyric matter. Mainstream music puts any lyric to any song. It doesn't matter what it is. Look at "Hit Me Baby One More Time". Isn't that promoting abuse? Actually according to everyone who is a fan of Mrs. Spears it isn't. Majority of bands that REALLY matter, in the underground, put thought into their lyrics. Rather than just random drivel. Yes, Cannibal Corpse sings about some pretty taboo subjects, but they're typical death metal (I still enjoy their music). I still cannot read any of their lyrics to this day. At one point in my life I even considered not listening to them because of it. Thing about Cannibal Corpse though, as much as I hate to admit it, is that they're mainstream death metal. They took the same route as everyone else, making a name for themselves by saying something shocking. If they had lyrics about dragons and wizards I highly doubt they would be "notorious" as some say they are today. Bands like Cannibal Corpse are to me like a Bruce Willis action movie. Turns a buck, but it has no substance. Yet I still watch Die Hard because it has some cool effects. - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:23pm Edited: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:40pm | ||
| Dr.DoomXXX User Info... | "so your saying if rape was considered entertaining it would be ok to have it in lyrics" Fuck...........right..........off! you're just straining for something to contribute and putting words in my mouth in the process. - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:36pm Edited: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:44pm | ||
| Eurydice User Info... | Wait, there's lyrics now? I thought it was just the sound of the cookies being shoved into the blue monsters mouth... Sorry, just trying to lighten to the mood...:) - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:12pm Edited: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:17pm | ||
| KnifeGhost User Info... | moron, I had to sound all "it doesn't happen here" but it doesn't happen here. A band that sang about how cool it would be to go to Iraq so they could torture prisoners there would get exactly the same respect from me that "rapecore" bands get. Actually, fuck it. You're right. Fuck bands based on torture lyrics. Fuck movies that use torture and rape for shock appeal (that includes The Passion of the Christ). Of course I beleive they fully have the right to sing or make movies about whatever they want, but I'm excercising the right to think they're dicks for it. I will agree, moron, that because rape happens, it'll be reflect in our art. But there are many ways to handle it, some constructive, some exploitative. (BTW, I fucking hate Natural Born Killers.) Besides, the only metal I listen to is about Star Trek or smashing the state. - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 5:14am Edited: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 5:20am | ||
| mikey User Info... | They have Star Trek metal?! How cool is THAT! - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 9:36am Edited: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 9:37am | ||
| moron User Info... | Hey Knifeghost: Star Trek - The Original Series, Episode 5: The Enemy Within (1966) "Average epsiode, but they don't treat attempted rape and post-attempted rape very well here (it's the 60's you know)." Star Trek: Nemesis "Also, the "violation" of Troi's mind was never called a mind rape in the film, although I believe it was refered to as a telepathic rape in the DVD commentaries." You folks gonna do a song called "Mind Rape" now? =) cheers - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:23am Edited: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:28am | ||
| Platoon User Info... | Wow, nice work on the Trek trivia Moron. - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:37am Edited: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:37am | ||
| KnifeGhost User Info... | moron: You forgot Tasha Yar's childhood spent evading rape gangs, and Kira's story of why she joined the resistance. Let me know as soon as Acting Ensign write a song about how they wanna get in on that, and we'll talk. ;) - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:45pm Edited: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:47pm | ||
| Platoon User Info... | Lets not forget T'Pol's mind rape when she contracted the degenerative disease she suffers from. - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 2:00pm Edited: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 2:01pm | ||
| Platoon User Info... | So, who listens to GoreGrind around here? - Sun, 16 Apr 2006 8:24pm Edited: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 8:25pm | ||
| Destroy_The_Flesh User Info... |  Carcass and Its children Impaled and Exhumed. Hemdale Gorerotted Rotten Sound - Sun, 16 Apr 2006 8:53pm Edited: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 8:57pm | ||
| jeff User Info... | the goregrind i like Carcass Exhumed Gorerotted Rottrevore Abysmal Torment and not much more(i hate most Carcass clones) - Sun, 16 Apr 2006 9:18pm Edited: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 9:23pm | ||
| MisterNasty User Info... | I'm too old to listen to goregrind. Same with brutal deathmetal. I only write and play it now. I would way rather bob my head to gangsta rap. - Sun, 16 Apr 2006 9:32pm Edited: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 9:39pm | ||
| Curmudgeon Rocker User Info... | Man.....Rottrevore....been a loooooong time. Still have their 7" - I think it was Relapse's second, after Suffocation. And Hemdale - gosh I miss that Rickenbacker-weilding little pudgy guy. Looked like a dark-haired version of that Pillsbury Doughboyish little dweeb from "King of the Hill" (Bobby?) That dude had THE most astounding (albeit joyously sick) vocal range I think I have ever heard from a vocalist from that particular metal genre. - Sun, 16 Apr 2006 11:04pm Edited: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 11:14pm | ||
| Platoon User Info... | I am waiting on a cd from Scott Stearns featuring him, Corey Bing and Matt from Hemdale in a band called Accept Death. Not exactly goregrind but it is going to be unfucking real. - Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:11am Edited: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:12am | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | check out Corporal Raid from Italy, very intense, weird as fuck guitar tone, but the vocalist and drummer are out of this world. Bodies Lay Broken, Cripple Bastards, Ghoul, Machetazo, Bird Flesh (if they even count), Impaled, Exhumed, Splatterhouse, Frightmare yadda yadda yadda more Razorback Records name dropping. - Mon, 17 Apr 2006 3:57am Edited: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 4:00am | ||
| Tyler User Info... | ha - Mon, 17 Apr 2006 5:48am Edited: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 5:49am | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | "Goregrind" or grind for that matter has to have a punk influence for it to be truly AWESOME. - Mon, 17 Apr 2006 1:15pm Edited: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 1:15pm | ||
| Destroy_The_Flesh User Info... | Ghoul, Good one Shawn , I forgot them - Mon, 17 Apr 2006 1:42pm Edited: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 1:43pm | ||
| jeff User Info... | wow I must know a totally different Cripple Bastards because the one I have is not goregrind at all its just grind... - Mon, 17 Apr 2006 6:39pm Edited: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 6:40pm | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | well I guess that's really splitting hairs, I consider goregrind to be a sound moreso than "a grind band that sings about gore". either way, subgenres be damned!!! on that note I also forgot Haemorrhage. - Mon, 17 Apr 2006 7:49pm Edited: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 7:50pm | ||
| jeff User Info... | still I would consider them just grind because I'm pretty sure they sing about there gov. and there hatred of cops but maybe thats just the release I heard - Mon, 17 Apr 2006 7:52pm Edited: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 7:55pm | ||
| dumpstermesh User Info... | Ok. I love metal. I have had the lyrics debate in my own head and out loud many, many times. I don't think that these bands are out there killing people, eating brains, preforming autopsies, and raping young innocents; or trying to promote that "lifestyle". They are looking at life from the prespective of a murder loving, daughter raping psycho. Isn't that part of the human condition? To be fascinated with death and other "ugly" thoughts? Many writers use rape and murder in their books, because not only does it happen but humans sometimes enjoy reading about something that they would never do. I think we also like listening to lyrics about things we'd never do. I have a harder time listening to something like Nick Caves "The kindness of strangers" because I can hear the suffering woman in the background. Suddenly he's not just singing about rape and murder he's making it sound real. That hit me a lot closer to home than any metal song has. I do love that CC song and I'm glad Platoon posted the lyrics. Now I have it in my head:) - Mon, 17 Apr 2006 8:52pm Edited: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 9:07pm | ||
| MURDALIZER User Info... | That begs a question. Why is it that we are enchanted by such macabre events? What is it in our nature that craves such violence? If you've ever witnessed death first hand, it's really quite "unglamourus" but when it's glorified in media/art it generates millions of dollars. Why do we continually allow ourselves to be spoonfed the lowest common denominator? - Mon, 17 Apr 2006 9:16pm Edited: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 9:26pm | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | Because it's easy. It's basic. - Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:21pm Edited: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:21pm | ||
| Platoon User Info... | It maybe 'simple', 'easy', 'basic' and 'spoonfed' to some while it could be 'creative', 'unconventional', 'interesting', and 'captivating' to others. Perception is unique to the individual. Different individuals have different perceptions. One man's trash is another man's treasure. - Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:58pm Edited: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:03pm | ||
| Akylore User Info... | Hmmm...I don't know, I think the only thing that tends to rub me the wrong way with some metal is NSBM. The morality doesn't even bother me as much as the mentality; it's demeaning from an intellectual standpoint. I just can't stomach the idea of misanthropy being 'race specific.' Fucking ridiculous! Misanthropy is relative to the demise and diminishment of the entire human race! Humans are VIRUSES WITH SHOES, end of fucking story. Anyways, the rape vs. gore topic? I'm not sure. I'm a huge fan of Gorgasm, and they have some pretty brutal lyrics. Even Nattefrost's "Blood and Vomit" album has some pretty demeaning lyrics towards women ("Slut, choke and die,") but I think the reason why I got a kick out of that was because when he was questioned in an interview about it he replied, "It's just a point of view thing, it's just my point of view." LOL I mean, even S.O.D.'s "Speak English or Die" is still really one of the most brutal albums as far as politically incorrect lyrical content is concerned, and that album came out what, 15 years ago, at least? M.O.D. was fucking harsh for those kind of lyrics too. To me, Billy Milano and Nattefrost are nothing but fucking shit-disturbers!... ...and that's the whole point, isn't it? At least it is to me whenever I run into stuff like this, you won't find Gorgasm or Nattefrost's lyrics sponsored by fucking Vaseline for some TV commercial involving rape. To me, these people write this shit simply to disturb, period. In fact, they do it to create 1/2 of the posts on this thread and they're doing a rather good job from the looks of it...so I just shrug my shoulders, because I don't take it seriously. I admit I tend to laugh a lot when reading these sorts of lyrics, and it's not because I believe in them, it's because I picture the looks of the faces of the people offended by them (eg - Tipper Gore and the PMRC.) But shock factor only goes so far...after a while you tend to get sick of it and look for something to listen to that's more focused on musical content. - Tue, 18 Apr 2006 3:40am Edited: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 4:18am | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | natte frost is a fucking loser. that album is impossible for me to listen to because of those lyrics. like, those aren't just shock value, he really said 'that's my point of view' ie women are sluts to be abused. Venom used satanism as JUST shock value, they said afterwards 'we're not satanists'. Natte Frost is different. Its shock value, AND its really what these scumbags believe in. That's an easy line for me to draw. Satyricon are the same way, their new direction, sexist lyrics and shiny new sadistic video is followed quite quickly by allegations of sexual assault. Well suprise suprise. How many metalheads jumped on the 'Satyricon are innocent' bandwagon without even giving a thought to the fact that they pretty much glorify those actions in their new songs. I don't want those themes to be the norm, or accepted, in metal. Sorry. It contributes to the social climate that enforces the existing patriarchy. Anyone who wants to defend THAT status quo totally sucks, trying to keep metal 'brutal' ... jesus christ that is so fucking lame. - Tue, 18 Apr 2006 3:08pm Edited: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 3:27pm | ||
| MistrNasty User Info... | I just love it when the self appointed music police gets all worked up. Whining and crying on top of a milk crate about whats right or wrong with metal as if theyre somebody. Im resisting arrest officer. What are you gonna do about it. If youre really that concerned about saving the world go donate part of your income to a womens shelter or sponsor a starving child from Africa. Put your money where your mouth is instead of bitching at deathmetal bands about their lyrics. And if you really wanna educate yourself about mysogyny go listen to some 2 Live Crew... - Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:12pm Edited: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:17am | ||
| Spinvis User Info... | The allegations of sexual assault on Satyricon were of not the band itself. Just 2 touring session musicians for the tour. Not even full time members of the band. I don't know how many jumped on the "Satyricon are innocent" bandwagon... because most people could give two shits about it considering it wasn't even actual members of Satyricon. Some people are so miserable on this board. - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 9:29am Edited: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 9:32am | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | fuck you mister nasty, hahahah. don't tell ME how to be a PC Fuck, I've made a career of it. don't take anything I say here too seriously spinvis, I'm just at work and fucking bored. I do seriously think Satyricon and their new direction is really lame. That's some serious much music lameness. - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:01am Edited: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:05am | ||
| Spinvis User Info... | Yeah can't agree with you more... I really am not fond of Satyricon's new direction, terrible!! - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:42am Edited: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:42am | ||
| Platoon User Info... | Well, listen to some 1349 then. - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:44am Edited: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:44am | ||
| Andy McBeer User Info... | Why is it that people love to hate on this board? If someone expresses an opinion about something, there will be atleast three people calling that person idiotic/ignorant/an asshole/etc. It's insane. There's some very militant people around here, whining about and hating things instead of focusing on the things they enjoy and letting others do the same. Discussion about these matters are great, though... but too many people get workeed up and start name calling, blah blah blah. - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:42pm Edited: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:46pm | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | 1349 slowed down on their last album. sellouts. liberation is way faster. - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 2:36pm Edited: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 2:38pm | ||
| Platoon User Info... | This place is defined by the ridiculous bickering that goes on here. You can pull out your own hair and argue all you want with everyone else while at the same time laughing at someone elses bickering fest. Take for example this thread and people arguing here and the Air Rifle thread. I laughed my ass off at that Air Rifle thread. I think the key is to pretend to be serious but not to be serious. This place is just a big shit talking fest and I don't think that will ever change. Afterall, Canon.docre makes his living shit talking for the PC,(he said it himself). - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 4:22pm Edited: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 4:25pm | ||
| Andy McBeer User Info... | It's almost too perfect. - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 5:37pm Edited: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 5:38pm | ||
| Akylore User Info... | "...And if you really wanna educate yourself about mysogyny go listen to some 2 Live Crew..." You know what the funny part of that shit is?! When I was junior-high I had that "Nasty As they Wanna Be" disc taken away from me by my mom but yet she left my Cannibal Corpse's 'Tomb of the Mutilated' (with the half-hewn corpse going down on the split-open chick CD cover) sitting right beside it. So in otherwards, Sexist: Bad. Pissing in her maggot-filled asshole: OK. Figure that one out! :P - Thu, 20 Apr 2006 3:05am Edited: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 3:10am | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | And here I thought Canon.D worked at the Help Desk in a call center? ;) - Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:23pm Edited: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:24pm | ||
| Platoon User Info... | ... - Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:27pm Edited: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:31pm | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | What the hell happened to those messages?? - Thu, 20 Apr 2006 9:34pm Edited: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 9:34pm | ||
| Sati User Info... | Were there more than one Nik? I keep saying I think this board should just be set up to work like the php boards once in for all... hhhrgh. In any case, I'm fairly certain they were removed by the authors themselves and not by any of our mods. - Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:26pm Edited: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:30pm | ||
| Spinvis User Info... | Huh.. yeah weird. I agree on the PHP boards, because on this one there is no "quote" option so its hard to see what people are repling to sometimes. Also the option to just show the avatar instead of pressing "more info" would make it more visual. - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 7:53am Edited: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 7:54am | ||
| I'm a fukin' Terrorist User Info... | Let's write some lyrics as a committe, just for fun. I'll start it off: A feast of rotting meat feeds the maggots in my belly!!!! - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:27am Edited: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:43am | ||
| dumpstermesh User Info... | My salty dead eyes have long since turned to jelly. ~heehee I'm rhyming~ - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 2:32pm Edited: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 2:34pm | ||
| MisterNasty User Info... | When I shit in your mouth your breath becomes smelly - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 2:37pm Edited: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 2:39pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | You live in a box and collect Welly. - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 4:10pm Edited: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 4:10pm | ||
| Endeløs User Info... | Your teeth are all brown cuz you smoke crystal methy - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 4:28pm Edited: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 4:31pm | ||
| Destroy_The_Flesh User Info... | I smoked all your pot now my eyelids are heavy - Sat, 22 Apr 2006 7:17pm Edited: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 7:17pm | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | hahahah - Mon, 24 Apr 2006 2:30pm Edited: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 2:31pm | ||
| Mister Luke User Info... | Love it. - Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:34pm Edited: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:34pm | ||
| MisterNasty User Info... | If you ask me, the rhyme scheme should've changed after 4 bars... - Thu, 27 Apr 2006 7:53pm | ||
| Destroy_The_Flesh User Info... |  I play cricket with fetus's then boil up there meatus's Rend and grind them to dust Screw their heads till they bust - Thu, 27 Apr 2006 9:37pm | ||
| Platoon User Info... | Someone tab some riffs for those lyrics. - Sat, 29 Apr 2006 7:33pm Edited: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 7:33pm | ||
| James User Info... | I'm glad someone brought this up. I'm not one to pay much attention to lyrical content but the same thing bugs me about bands with "Shocking Names". It's sort of a rebellion thing I guess. Bands with "Rape" or "Jizz" or "Decapitate" in their name are rarely trying to express their feelings. They are just expressing their poor IQ and lack of talent. I'm sure there are exceptions but people should go see bands that make good music rather than bands that have lyrics that would make their parents cringe. All in all it's just for fun. There's no reason for these bands not to exist. It's nice that if someone wants to start a band and play whatever they want they can. - Wed, 3 May 2006 11:30am Edited: Wed, 3 May 2006 11:35am | ||
| Crapper User Info... | yah because if you have those words in your band name it means you have no talent. Like if Yngwie joined a band called JizzRape he would suddenly not be able to play worth a shit. - Thu, 4 May 2006 2:33pm | ||
| tyler akis User Info... | people who write song about rape and shit are totally uncreative and shouldent be in a band if they want to promote things like that..along rascist bands..these bands should not exist because they suck... p.s grindcore or grind deaht,,or grind/death/murder.viloence that music serisouly sucks sooo much fucking ass.like..its nothing..its grunting they guys sounds like fucking dumbasses.fuck grindcore of all styles - Thu, 4 May 2006 9:23pm | ||
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| James User Info... | Yngwie wouldn't join a band called Jizzrape so your point is moot. Sure there might be some people in bands with names like "Murder my Cock" that have good musicians but you won't find it to be the norm. The majority of people that need to stand out with a "shocking" name are people that aren't taking their music seriously or need to make up for something. You see the same thing with ultra violent movies or video games. Sure some people will like them but more often then not they are severely lacking with the main focus on the violence and leaving the rest as an after thought. - Fri, 5 May 2006 1:12am | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | sadly though, often the bands with the stupidest most vulgar subject matter is often comprised of very talented musicians who do take their craft seriously. unfortunately, in my eyes, rehashed gore lyrics strip a band of ANY merit whatsoever, despite the calibre at which they are playing at. - Fri, 5 May 2006 2:33am | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | I'm glad people like Tyler Akis don't "get it". - Sat, 6 May 2006 1:08pm | ||
| MisterNasty User Info... | Some goregrind/deathmetal bands are very high calibre musicians and some are sloppy and amateur. The topics a band chooses to sing about rarely reflects the talent level of it's members. For me the best part about writing gory, nasty and sick lyrics is watching people whine and cry about it. I get a real kick out of pc types who embark on missions to try and cleanse the world of evil music. From the perspective of an extreme metal fan I really couldnt care less what a band sings about. And I certainly cant imagine liking a band and then forcing myself to hate them once I realize they might have some lyrics I may not agree with... - Sat, 6 May 2006 5:19pm Edited: Sat, 6 May 2006 5:26pm | ||
| Curmudgeon Rocker User Info... | Nik Olaz: at least T.A. looks like he can totally rock out, though. - Sun, 7 May 2006 7:45am Edited: Sun, 7 May 2006 7:58am | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | Can and does...apparently. - Sun, 7 May 2006 7:08pm | ||
| hang.the.dj User Info... | Rape an ape with a grape. - Mon, 8 May 2006 4:05pm | ||
| Curmudgeon Rocker User Info... | ...with mouth agape (before the duct tape) inside your cape to eat the canape? /aw shoot - I guess that last one didn't work - Mon, 8 May 2006 7:31pm Edited: Mon, 8 May 2006 7:34pm | ||
| Victim User Info... | sounds more like rap-core....not that I could do better lol - Mon, 8 May 2006 9:26pm | ||
| hang.the.dj User Info... | the ape tries to escape but it's not the right shape so.... you rape it with a crepe. - Mon, 8 May 2006 9:43pm | ||
| Ward Ensemble User Info... | feeling the scrape, cold is the knife at your nape, fearing the ape, tasting the tape, Welcome to rape. (don't eat the crepe) - Thu, 11 May 2006 10:56pm | ||
| bad_fairy User Info... | I wonder if some people are more reactive to rape as opposed to canabalism/gore etc.....because they know someone it's happend to? - Fri, 12 May 2006 5:52pm Edited: Fri, 12 May 2006 5:54pm | ||
| hang.the.dj User Info... | Maybe cuz the songwriter/band isn't attractive and the only way they're gonna get any is through rape.... Or... well... ahh nevermind - Sun, 14 May 2006 12:50am | ||
| Erin User Info... | fuck you in the ass with a razor blade make you drink my piss like it's lemonade make you eat my shit til you choke and die i like big butts and i cannot lie! (tee-hee) - Fri, 19 May 2006 10:27pm | ||
| Andrew S. User Info... | anyone want a piece of rapefruit? - Mon, 29 May 2006 5:06am | ||
| Hang the DJ User Info... | Rape juice, 100% rape for 100% kids. - Mon, 29 May 2006 4:22pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | i didnt really read the whole post but props to the guy who pointed out the eminem lyrics. Very good point. Rape is disgusting, and if shocking people is what u do to get noticed, run it. Free spech is wonderfull. Just dont be surprised when you offend every woman on the planet. - Wed, 31 May 2006 5:38pm | ||
| MisterNasty User Info... | Well Eminem raps about raping his mother, being a rapist in a Jason mask, stabbing fags in the head, slapping bitches around, beating, choking and stabbing his wife and he definitely has no shortage of female fans ripping off their clothes to his music and fantasizing about sucking and fucking his brains out. Go figure... - Wed, 31 May 2006 9:29pm | ||
| Curmudgeon Rocker User Info... | Yeah, it's funny......girls seem to react the same way to Peruke too. - Thu, 1 Jun 2006 2:19am | ||
| Hang the DJ User Info... | Rape me Rape me, my friend Rape me Rape me, again I'm not the only one[4x] Hate me Do it and do it again Waste me Rape me, my friend I'm not the only one[4x] My favorite inside source I'll kiss your open sores Appreciate your concern You'll always stink and burn Rape me Rape me, my friend Rape me Rape me, again Im not the only one[4x] Rape me! [15x] - Thu, 1 Jun 2006 7:34pm | ||
| jeff User Info... | Dude good call on Nirvana - Thu, 1 Jun 2006 8:14pm | ||
| Hang the DJ User Info... | Thankya. 4th fav Nirvana song. - Sat, 3 Jun 2006 3:20pm | ||
| jeff User Info... | this thread was cool - Mon, 25 Sep 2006 5:14pm | ||
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