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Spray Foam making places sound proof...
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| _Griphin_ User Info... | http://www.sprayfoam.org/ I keep seeing Holmes on Homes and he totally recommends a spray foam setup for your walls as they act as a good insulation (keeps the room warm) and dampens stuff like noise. What I'm curious about, are any of the current studios using this setup and if so what do you think of it?!? Plus, spray foam looks like phun to spray into walls and objects. :) Also recommended, acoustic sealant (black and sticky), and this acoustic fireglass, brownish green in colour. :) BTW It's wierd, the American foam looks white rather then the light blue you always see on Holmes on Homes. - Thu, 2 Mar 2006 8:35pm Edited: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 9:17pm | ||
| lonemonk User Info... | It probably works awesome for common room noise and general insulation. I can see it easier to work with than pink, but this stuff prolly has its own environmental evils. Remember all the Urea-Formeldehyde homes of the 70s and 80s. This stuff alone wouldn't do squat for audio sound control, or at least nothing that other materials couldn't do equally well. It might work well as part of a solution, but the density of the walls themselves and a million other conditions would have to be tackled at the same time. If there was a magic sound-proof liquid to spray into walls, everyone on Livevic would be renting a pumper-truck. And don't forget those respirators people! . http://www.medienkultur.org/sm2/psyche/reaktion/soundproof.html . - Fri, 3 Mar 2006 8:30pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | I don't know, Mike Holmes swears by the stuff for heat and sound proofing. I shall look into it. Still, I'd love to get a job installing that stuff. Just don't spray it into your mouth :) - Sat, 4 Mar 2006 12:52am Edited: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 12:53am | ||
| J User Info... | monk, wouldn't this foam increase the density of the wall anyhow cause you have to put it inbetween thus the insulation part of it all... i could see it not really working well but im sure it would work ok for a small recording outfit. i haven't read much on the install of this material but im sure it does increase the denisty of a wall cause isn't adding sound proofing about adding more girth to the surrounding environment(ie, walls) in order to block/deferr the sound elsewhere?(like i said, i have no experience in this dept. i just play guitar :P) - Sat, 4 Mar 2006 9:10am | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | The reason it soundproofs I guess has to do with the density of the foam. For a studio, you'd need to build a fake floor and spray the foam in between the gaps in the wood (that make sense?!?) The only downside to soundproofing a room is trying to nail the windows, cause I think that's where the sound would leak out. I dunno, I've never helped with building a studio. I should try to ask Mike Holmes how he soundproof's (has he ever built a studio?!?). But I could see how the foam would make the place soundproof. Sound leaks thru the cracks in the walls, so if you spray foam the walls, then cover with a wall tarp (I cannot remember what it's called), then drywall the walls (do the walls first, then ceiling), this should cut down the sound. I know, say, the Rats Nest would benefit from doing such a makeover, but the costs involved would be in the thousands tho', and is it really worth it?!? - Sun, 5 Mar 2006 10:53am Edited: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 11:29am | ||
| lonemonk User Info... | I guess all I'm getting at is this stuff probably works fine as a small piece to the entire sound-control puzzle. A studio's need for sound-control is much different than what's needed in the family room. A studio is more of a tuned environment, and building products have widely varying capabilities when it comes to loud music. Building products are only effective at controlling certain frequencies well. I've thought about using this foam as well, may still do it but only after a comparison with other materials (rock wool, pink, Corning sound board, etc) Also there is cost. Sometimes you find something that works well, but it doesn't work so much better that it justifies being twice the cost or whatever. Maybe two layers of drywall and cheap Pink will do a better job overall. I just wanted to make sure that people understand it isn't magic sound-gooo. Sure Holmes is gonna dig it; They probably supply all he needs as long as he continues to endorse it. - Mon, 6 Mar 2006 4:19pm | ||
| XY-? User Info... | I mean really, anything with the chemical make up of that shit is going to be giving off gas till it cures, and still it will permeate the surrounding areas and pass right through the walls and any vapor barriers. Oh yea, be warned! And this is why, .....a NOT well sealed up (Door seals, vapor barrier, etc.) house may be draftier and more expensive to heat. BUT! ... it's a whole lot healthier! WARNING ONE ! Never trap vaporous fumes in your walls. Plastics (petroleum products) or chemical products used for wall insulation will emit gas till they cure (like paint) and even after curing (yea right), it still will emit fumes. Only over time will emissions slowly reduce and so will the stability of the synthetic plastic or petroleum plastic products in question . SECOND WARNING Chemically expanding products ARE giving off gasses. Now….. Used in one for plugging up drafts like around the elec. receptors for draft proofing. YES. It's one small area, and in a well ventilated room ( ie , central heating system with outside fresh air return or an Air to air heat exchanger) filling cracks or air-loss areas with foam would be ok. BUT ! Filling wall cavities with foam and having the best air to air exchange system, you will still be in almost direct exposure to the compounds. THIRD WARNING ! If you want to look at Toxic poisoning at a local scale.... just look at BC's own R- 2000 program. TOO MUCH vapor barrier in a buildings, till moisture is trapped in the walls and causing mold or bacteria to form in the building . ,,causing, Leaky condo syndrome . Think Ricky , THINK ! If the moisture can't get out ...then the fumes are trapped inside also . Hello cancer ! .. and about a billion other allergies you can name . Modern science has brought us fantastic chemical marvels in technology . But in our need for easier ( or cheaper) methods of insulation , we sacrifice health factors for money factors . FOURTH WARNING ! A few years ago they stopped us ( plumbers/ pipe fitters) from using Poly -B plastics because of contaminants transferred into our drinking water. This was from the plastics and the emission transferring into our drinking water from the " poly Butaline " . This was used in most house mainlines (waterlines in house and from the road) from the 80's into the 90's. In closing, If you are going to be exposed to plastics it should be for small durations of time , and NOT have it under your FUCKING nose 24/7 living in it . ... oh and most professional studios.. they use the understandings of sound technology to engineer the rooms by sound transfer and sound dampening . And I HOPE they use non-toxic insulating material to sound proof studio rooms ( unclosed box) to keep down on the leaching.. But ! .... if exposed for minuet periods ( well ventilated) of time , no problems ! Be freaking careful friends ! - Mon, 13 Mar 2006 7:37pm | ||
| Ward Ensemble User Info... | ...and not to forget to check if the shit is in some way flammable if you or your band smoke anything... - Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:27pm Edited: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:28pm | ||
| PRO JAM SPACES User Info... | the best sound insulation is dead ait space...period. don't use the foam. anything that makes contact will tranfer vibrations. - Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:26pm Edited: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:28pm | ||
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