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are you a cute punky boy who shops at VV?
| Message Board > General Chitchat > are you a cute punky boy who shops at VV? |
| Mini Mags | You: super cute punky boy, black hair, lip pierce, bike helmet, cruising vv looking at clothes and books Me: little punky girl, red parka, pink bag,rook/ tragus piercings, star tattoo, also cruising vv If this is you email me at [email protected] - Mon, 20 Jan 2003 1:47pm | ||
| Anonymous | Sounds like Josh from Moneyshot, he's taken. - Mon, 20 Jan 2003 2:09pm | ||
| Anonymous | Fuck off... this is not the personal ads. Get a fucking life. - Mon, 20 Jan 2003 2:27pm | ||
| alastair // User Info... | We're all so lonely :( I'm so lonely... - Mon, 20 Jan 2003 3:01pm | ||
| Anonymous | I think its sweet....This may not be the personal ads, but it is pretty much anything goes (judging from other threads ie;JB has a small penis???) - Mon, 20 Jan 2003 3:07pm | ||
| Anonymous | Nobody's perfect. - Mon, 20 Jan 2003 3:24pm | ||
| Jo Fancy | What in the hell is VV? - Mon, 20 Jan 2003 3:57pm | ||
| Jo Fancy | ooohhhhhh.... I get it. I'm down. I'm hip, one might say. One may venture so far as to say "with it". - Mon, 20 Jan 2003 4:00pm | ||
| Anonymous | Gotta love that... not only have we seen Avril Lavign be dubbed the "Anti-Brittany" but we've also seen her inspire a whole generation of girls to date skater boys... - Mon, 20 Jan 2003 4:30pm | ||
| TheEmpressPrincess User Info... | GO GIRL!! To hell with being passive and waiting for the guy...whatever! If I see that boy - I'll be tellin' him to find you on LV!! - Mon, 20 Jan 2003 4:31pm | ||
| Masturbating The War God User Info... | "we've also seen her inspire a whole generation of girls to date skater boys.." Hmm, maybe it's just me, but skater boys have been in demand forever. - Mon, 20 Jan 2003 4:46pm | ||
| Mags | Nah it's not josh... oh well.. he's out there somewhere... and i am determined to find him! - Mon, 20 Jan 2003 6:03pm | ||
| Destr-OiOiOi User Info... | I'm a fucking filthy 'punky boy' with piercings to the rectum... I have no money, and what little I do have, not a fucking dime will go to you. I'd most likely beat you to death with my horrid spiked penis, then dump your punky body in the Inner Harbour. DIE LIFELESS SOD! - Mon, 20 Jan 2003 7:01pm | ||
| Destr-OiOiOi User Info... | Almost forgot, any real fucking 'skater boy' would beat any of those Avrilesque groupies to death with their trucks, don't fail me now. - Mon, 20 Jan 2003 7:09pm | ||
| virge User Info... | I'm not with it. what the fuck is VV?? - Mon, 20 Jan 2003 8:39pm | ||
| virge User Info... | also what the fuck is punky?? punk but not quite? - Mon, 20 Jan 2003 8:40pm | ||
| lily_liquor User Info... | Value Pillage...le VV boutique, if you will. - Mon, 20 Jan 2003 8:43pm | ||
| virge User Info... | oh of course! - Mon, 20 Jan 2003 8:46pm | ||
| Destr-OiOiOi User Info... | Ask yourself this, do you shop there because its trendy, or because you can't afford to shop anywhere else? - Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:49pm | ||
| Anonymous | there's no such thing as a "real" skater boy, they're all phony as hell. None of them were born with a spiked collar on. punk, goth, twinky, they're all the same thing in different wrap. "People shouldnt hate me just because I wear different clothes... anyway I hate twinkies because they dress like sluts..." - Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:46pm | ||
| Destr-OiOiOi User Info... | I don't let clothes decide what I think of someone, although certain kinds of people are *coincidentally* found in certain kinds of clothing, and they are absolute pricks. For example, people who dress in Exco and wear upside-down visors with their hair spiked up in the middle, with gold chains hanging from their necks. These kind of people are obviously very materialistic, and only judge your for aesthetic appearance and how good a scrapper you are. People who avoid brandnames and major corporations, buying clothes that will last them forever so they don't have to keep putting their hard-earned cash into the coffers of already-filthy-rich corporate crooks, have some admirable values, and usually judge you on the more important aspects of your personality and intentions. The way these kinds of people dress directly reflect the way they are likely to be as people. - Tue, 21 Jan 2003 4:04pm | ||
| Masturbating The War God User Info... | bah, fuck skater boys, metal boys are better and more tr00! - Tue, 21 Jan 2003 4:10pm | ||
| no fresh air, coke smoke only User Info... | punk sucks so bad it should be tunging my balls. - Tue, 21 Jan 2003 6:48pm | ||
| teppy | ...um....just for the record mags...i'm now no longer your friend! we all know the way to go about getting the guy is to go up to him, introduce yourself and then walk away before he can reply... - Tue, 21 Jan 2003 8:34pm | ||
| Lurker User Info... | I shop at value village and other thrift stores not because I can't afford new stuff, and not because it's trendy, but for the simply fact that you can get cool shit there and then go buy records and cds with the money you save. What's wrong with that? Should thrift stores only be for those that can't afford new stuff? - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:26am | ||
| danica User Info... | christ, i cant even afford value village. i wear rags. RAGS DAMN IT - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:40am | ||
| Matt D. | The Village has gotten more expensive in the last (couple of?) years... I'm sure more of it's going to profits than charity. Why buy stuff when you can walk out with it free of charge? The other thrift stores are more respectable in my mind, they need the money, but Value Village?.... mmmmm I don't think so. - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:42am | ||
| Anonymous | so you`re basically describing every single person who shopps at vv...... punky? - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:53am | ||
| Anonymous | don't think you're better than everyone else just b/c you where punk clothing. "Punks" can be consumer/capitalists just like those sporting brands. It seems that destro-oi-oi-whatever is just as judgemental of appearences, and not that different from the exco kid. - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 1:05am | ||
| Anonymous | oops, I used the wrong spelling. It is supposed to read "wear" rather than "where" - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 1:09am | ||
| FART | shit, this board IS turning into personals/casual sex fart fest. spring's in a few months you wascally wabbits. - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 1:48am | ||
| matt t User Info... | As far as I know Value Village has never been a charity. And yeah, its a bit expensive but thats cause they buy a lot of the clothes and resell it, not have it all donated. Plus its better to buy clothes from there than say the gap or some mall or shit. I got my pants from there, just wear them everyday (they are starting to fall apart slowly though seeing how its been about 5 months of everyday) and I'll have to go back soon. But hey, for a dollar a month worth, not too shabby. Well actually my old room mate bought them and i just took them, but they did come from vv. Holy fucking rambling or what. - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 1:54am | ||
| Matt D. | I agree that buying from Value Village is better than the less economically accessable alternatives, and I believe a percent of their profits does goes to charity. I didn't mean to rag on the place too much, just wondering why they've jacked up the price over time. Probably cause of shoplifters... (cough) I gotta wicked pair of plaid slacks from the place ages ago but they were unfortunately stolen (along with my wallet). I'd have to say I miss the pants more than I do the money that I lost..... - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 2:00am | ||
| matt t User Info... | "provides local non-profit organizations with a steady, unconditional source of revenue" I was wrong. I wonder how much they actually give now. - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 2:17am | ||
| Matt D. | I don't think they give very much at all (to non-prof organizations), but I could be very wrong. My understanding is that it's primarily a profit-run organization, not to say that they don't do anything good for the community (I don't know enough to comment). The argument could be layed out however that Value Village is just like the Gap, or some other mega-bux franchise, only that they appeal to a lower bracket of income and promote themselves as the alternative to the "norm." Not that I'm taking that side of the argument, although I have thought that at times. Truth is I just don't know enough about how the place is run. - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 2:22am | ||
| matt t User Info... | Well I think the problem with the Gap is they are generally status clothes, too much for too little, much like hilfiger and calvin klien and the rest, where as Value Village is merely taking clothes that would otherwise generally be thrown away and recycling them back to the general public. Although I think its not always right the amount they charge (I heard a story about a wedding dress that was donated to them and only used once and put a $500 price tag on it) I dont think it has the same "I bought it at value village" gasp bringing wows from your local wine and cheese party. They dont really treat their employess the best either (but how many places do?) but atleast they can have dyed hair and piercings. Regardless, its not a place I go more than once every couple months for longer than 15 minutes. - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 2:33am | ||
| Sally Ann All the Way! | I got a call from the Diabetes Association asking if I had any clothing to donate. I gave them some stuff that didn't fit anymore. A couple of weeks later I was at VV, and found the clothes I had donated. I know it was mine 'cause I found a mark on one of the donated sweaters that I couldn't get out! So it looks like some charities are marketing agencies for VV! I guess some of the money goes to the charities... BUT! I shop the Sally because the things are cheaper than VV and I KNOW the Salvation Army does good work! - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:55am | ||
| pleaseexplain | "Plus its better to buy clothes from there than say the gap or some mall or shit." a few people have been saying this sort of thing but nobody has really explained why...care to enlighten me? - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:56pm | ||
| Jason User Info... | whoever shops at the gap, raise your hand. I need to know who I should aim my projectile vomitting at. Don't be shy there's enough to go around. - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 1:05pm | ||
| Destr-OiOiOi User Info... | To the anonymous person who completely ignored everything I said, I'll repeat myself. I don't just people by what they wear, but a certain kind of person is often found in certain clothing. It's a reflection of themselves. I won't be cold towards you just because you wear Exco, until I know you're not someone i'd like. - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 1:26pm | ||
| Anonymous | true dat....... - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 1:57pm | ||
| Lurker User Info... | I am not aware of what Value Village does for charity. I do know that they are a FOR profit business though. - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 2:25pm | ||
| pleaseexplain | Jason, I've bought many items at the Gap. What's the problem? - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 2:35pm | ||
| pleaseexplain | Destroi - I hear what you're saying but when you say something like the following after: "For example, people who dress in Exco and wear upside-down visors with their hair spiked up in the middle, with gold chains hanging from their necks. These kind of people are obviously very materialistic..." it kind of nullifies what you said in the first place. Maybe that wasn't your intention but that's how it comes across. - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 2:36pm | ||
| Milton User Info... | Fuck clothes. Lets all go naked! - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 3:22pm | ||
| Anonymous | The above post is the only good thing said on this hurtin' thread. - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 3:59pm | ||
| Anonymous | Yea, I got some shirts at the Gap, and pants...nothing fancy and cheap too. Got a problem with that? - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 4:01pm | ||
| Troutbreath | The only word considered swearing at my house is the word "retail". - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 4:19pm | ||
| kjolt | Mags! I'm that guy you are looking for. Ps are you fat??cuz that would suck. - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 4:45pm | ||
| IDEA | Lets start a personals message board so that all the ugly people can find even uglier people to have sex with. - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 4:47pm | ||
| Anonymous | SWM - I am loathesome and spotty. Seeking queen-sized SF who enjoys mayonaise star trek and toe sucking. - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 5:02pm | ||
| matt t User Info... | The problem with say the gap (they are far from the only ones, just easily singled out, and by far one of the worst) is not the fact that they are trendy, if that was the worst of it, then who really cares? The owners of the gap, the Fisher family, are responsible for massive enviromental damage in the Redwood forests ( http://www.gapsucks.org/ ), not to mention one of the top 5 sweatshop companies in the world. The majority of those jeans, sweaters, etc come from places such as cambodia and indonesia (along with Nike, and last years winner for worst working conditions and cause of suffering, Disney) where people work for slave wages. And theres always the comment that if it wasnt for that 4 dollars a day they would have no work at all, the arguement is that they turn a huge profit year after year and refuse to give people anymore than the bare minimum (1/3 their basic living needs are supported by 4 dollars a day, a lot more than what a lot of them make). ( http://www.behindthelabel.org/ http://www.nosweat.org.uk/ ). People in those countries protest in 1000+ marches all the time only to have the police shoot into the crowd and beat people to stop, seeing as how the government can allow the people to suffer and have american business, or demand fair rights and lose it completely. Thats my problem with the gap. By buying that shit you are supporting the suffering of others, whereas if people actually gave a flying fuck things could actually change. Poor Gap if their fiscal profit goes from 6 billion to 4 billion because they had to pay people enough for them to feed their children. Its pretty much like walmart, who do the same fucking thing. http://www.indyweek.com/durham/2002-05-08/news.html I guess its just how much you care about social issues of others. The way I basically see it, is if I can do the least amount of harm possible, all the better. Not like any of you fucking care though. - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 5:13pm | ||
| Metal Metal | mmm metal guys mmm - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 5:21pm | ||
| Destr-OiOiOi User Info... | Well matt, its nice to see other people on this board with a conscience. I wouldn't be caught dead in clothing from one of the guilty companies, I research before I buy, or just mend the clothes I have and don't buy new clothes. - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 7:04pm | ||
| Anonymous | 'The majority of those jeans, sweaters, etc come from places such as cambodia and indonesia' I've spent a significant period of time living in Southeast Asia. You speak about a culture which is obviously entirely foreign to you. So don't. And don't generalize about the trendiness of gap clothes....I got jeans there, no label, no nothing...and plain shirts. There is nothing new in your generic, passive arguments. Do something, just don't preach like a completely useless piece of trash on a message board. Fuckin' wanker. - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 7:38pm | ||
| matt t User Info... | Just cause it doesnt have a label doesnt mean it wasnt made by a 13 year old girl working 14 hour days for 4 dollars. Im not saying every person making the clothes works under those conditions, but there are some, and that is way too fucking many in my opinion. Read up about it yourself, and maybe next time try not posting anonymously. And I do something, maybe not the most but its better than nothing. I dont fucking buy into that fucking bullshit like yourself. - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 7:56pm | ||
| Anonymous | Hey idiot, how much time have you spent living in these foreign cultures you speak about??? Right, so shut the fuck up about it unless you have first hand knowledge. And deal with the anonymity, cuz your not. - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 8:01pm | ||
| matt t User Info... | Are you saying that all the reports and articles on the injustice of the corporate elite on the poor of third world countries are all fake or that I should just not talk about it because Ive yet to become a whipping dog myself? I never said anything about their culture anyways, I merely stated the facts about what happens in a large amount of the places the crap is made. Fucking ignorant scum. - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 8:11pm | ||
| Anonymous | Yes, you are merely regurgitating others' data. I think you understand that as well, which is credible for you. However, it takes more than that to reach truly balanced opinions. Experience that culture, and recognize they have a different standard of living than we do. If there is corruption, address it. But don't generalize and buy into a stereotype that every worker making Gap clothes is 7 years old, eating 3 grains of rice a day. Chump. - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 8:33pm | ||
| matt t User Info... | "Im not saying every person making the clothes works under those conditions, but there are some, and that is way too fucking many in my opinion." - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 8:40pm | ||
| Milton User Info... | Way to go Mags! Your love life has started a debate about the international corporate standards and the living conditions of people around the globe. - Wed, 22 Jan 2003 8:43pm | ||
| virge User Info... | Dear Mr. Chump, You have so far failed to make your point. What was that about something standard of living? Yea.. I bet people DO learn to live off 4 dollars a day or whatever they are being paid or else they fucking die. Your standard of living would be a lot different too if i stole all your money, kicked you in the teeth and say.. ooh, i dunno, there wasn't any health care or medicine. So you've spent time in South Asia? That's Great! What did you do, please? You lived there, right, so i'm assuming you were working there? Was it easy to get a job? I know lots of people who have spent some considerable time travelling and most are pretty conciencious and empathetic towards humankind, others still don't give a shit. Oh yea i'm getting off topic here... Again, WHAT WAS THE POINT YOU WERE TRYING TO MAKE? - Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:47am | ||
| Anonymous | 'I bet people DO learn to live off 4 dollars a day or whatever they are being paid or else they fucking die' Where I lived in Southeast Asia, food and clothing was so fucking cheap, you could buy a lot with 4 dollars. And the people were happy with less, it's an entirely different culture. So don't use your own yardstick to measure their quality of life, when you have no firsthand experience. They do not need the message bored sympathy of an ignorant chump like you. - Thu, 23 Jan 2003 2:37am | ||
| Trailer Park Boy Julian | Anonomous / Chump - what exactly is your point. I too am not sure what you are trying to say. Are you trying to say that Asians who live in third world countries (by our standards) are a generally happy lot; living lives of contentment that we can only imagine? That they don't have povery issues, literacy issues, and health concerns?? That things are a helluva lot better over there in Burma than we thought??? That ignorant westerners should mind their own business and keep on consuming without a care???? That sweatshops really ain't that bad????? I'm curious; please enlighten me, the ignorant western-centric SOB that I am..... - Thu, 23 Jan 2003 5:56am | ||
| Destr-OiOiOi User Info... | I think $4 a day is a great wage for most sweatshop workers in places like South Korea, i've heard of much lower. I'm sure they're just living it up over there with that wage *SARCASM* It's surely enough to pay for food, shelter, clothing, water, electricity, and all the things we take for granted. Whoever this anonymous person is, would rather ignore the world's troubles, or dismiss them as lies. - Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:12am | ||
| Anonymous | In Southeast Asia, I used to pay about $50 in rent a month, sharing a nice two bedroom apartment, and you could get a tom yom soup and full dinner for about $1. I know a lot of people in this province who proportionally, are in a lot worse shape. As well as in Europe, where I have lived also. So shut the fuck up about social injustice, it's a highly complex subject which can't be summarized by some chump with a stereotype about Asians, on a message board. - Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:07pm | ||
| pleaseexplain | well, matt, it's nice to see someone provide references for a change to support their arguments. haven't read them yet though so can't comment on their substance; however, i still have a few things to mention on anti-institutionalism. like you, i've researched lots of companies, etc. to get a better idea of their business practices and i've found a lot of sites dedicated to demonstrating how terrible a company or group of companies can be. i have to say that a lot of the time these websites come across as extremely biased. if someone was genuinely interested in finding "the truth", they would put as much effort into researching each side of the coin. i don't think it's a mistake to assume that there's just as many ignorant people that are anti-institutional just for the sake of feeling important and righteous as there are greedy people that are anti-humanistic just for the sake of feeling important and wealthy. secondly, the gap may very well do the things that your references claim and thus buying into them would be supporting the suffering of some people, however, i think we'd be hard-pressed to find ANY avenue of, say, clothing ourselves without running into some example of that pursuit having caused someone to suffer. i'm not trying to excuse this sort of behaviour but i just wanted to point out that it probably happens even more than we think. i'd go even further and say that in a lot of cases it probably HAS to happen for a company to survive at all. - Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:12pm | ||
| Trailer Park Boy Julian | "i'd go even further and say that in a lot of cases it probably HAS to happen for a company to survive at all." That sounds like Marxist-lenninist talk dressed up as free market capitalist theory. Let's see, companies like Nike, Gap, WalMart generally make what are considered massive profits... sounds they're more than just surviving... they're thriving!! Damn, I almost wish my business had it so bad.... That comment is ridiculous. If companies like Nike et al, who are HIGHLY profitable can't make it, who can? The fact of the matter is, big corporate entities such as these spend a large portion of their revenue on a thing called BRANDING. See, Nike, Gap, whoever, don't actually make their own clothes. They contract out the manufacture of their clothing and shoes etc to companies that usually have factories based in third world countries. Often, the very same factory that makes Nikes is also making Adidas... usually by the same workers too! Since, their products, having already been made in the same factory are in many ways indistinguishable from each other, companies rely on branding to attract consumers... and they spend thick on it.... What is branding you ask; it's marketing taken to the extreme. It's about more than advertsing a product / service; now it's about creating an all encompassing image of a logo or corporate entity. Now it has very little to do with a product.... This is why certain people avoid buying certain branded products... 'cause massively profitable companies are exploiting people while glossing it over with a slick marketing campaign. I call that having ethics and values; and if you have a problem with that... well... hate to be so rude... but you can FUCK OFF!! - Thu, 23 Jan 2003 2:39pm | ||
| Mags | Whew. I knew that my love life was complicated but I didn't know that it would spark a huge debate on anti-institutional and politcal views of every on LiveVictoria... Interesting though... - Thu, 23 Jan 2003 2:51pm | ||
| Troutbreath | So have you tracked this guy down yet? That's what we really want to know. The rest of this is just killing time until we find out. - Thu, 23 Jan 2003 2:55pm | ||
| pleaseexplain | hey, don't point your finger at me as the perpatrator of all that is wrong with the world. i want people to live happy lives just as much as you do. you mentioned branding and i have to admit that a lot of the "marketing taken to the extreme" can be annoying but take a gues as to what i do when it annoys me...that's right, i turn it off or change the station or whatever. the point is i make a conscious effort to ignore it. branding is not a new thing....the first time somebody tried to "sell" a product based on a fact that wasn't directly related to the product probably occured thousands of years ago. and is there much wrong with this practice? all things being equal, i'll buy a sexier looking computer, say, because it's an added bonus. i'm not being naive and buying BECAUSE it's sexy but it can't hurt. like you alluded to, branding changes a simple product to a cultural entity; the bombardment of the brand may be annoying but since when is that a big ethical issue? you can bet that a lot of companies don't partake in branding simply because they can't afford to, not because it ethically impure. a suggestion: don't end your messages with an insult. it makes it hard to take you seriously. unless, of course, you're here just to beat your chest in which case, beat away. - Thu, 23 Jan 2003 4:00pm | ||
| Trailer Park Boy Julian | Hey pleaseexplain - relax... it's alright... I'm not mad at you and god knows preachin' doesn't really work. The FUCK OFF at the end of my rant was more aimed at the anonomous poster and their cynical attitude... and anyone else who has a problem with people who try to live by some ethical standard. Pleaseexplain you were asking for someone to explain to why they don't wanna shop at the Gap etc and avoid brands. I told you why I generally don't buy brands etc. To repeat; because I try to shop with a conscience and a purpose for the reasons I outlined above. If you find my own private shopping habits preachy and judgemental... well... I guess you are a little on the sensitive side. But damn it, I'm not apologising for trying to shop ethically.... ; ) - Thu, 23 Jan 2003 5:17pm | ||
| matt t User Info... | One of the things I cant stand is when someone expresses their own opinion and then gets told to shut up and being so damn preachy. The way I see it is pretty simple. I try to cause the least amount of harm to other living things as possible, and although its basically impossible, you can sure minimize it. And sure a lot of band shirts are made in china and I dont know the conditions those people go through, I just try to buy stuff from a company I know for sure causes harm. Its like I wouldnt fill up a car at a shell station or esso, because they have caused far more damage than the others. Its sort of choosing the lesser of two evils, which is still evil really. But hey, in an imperfect world there are always better options, just depends how much you are willing to think and actually bother with stuff. It would just be nice if people were willing to cause the same amount of harm to themselves as they did to other things, things would probably be a lot nicer. - Thu, 23 Jan 2003 6:21pm | ||
| Anonymous | 'I just try to buy stuff from a company I know for sure causes harm' Well, everyone has a dark side.... - Thu, 23 Jan 2003 7:25pm | ||
| matt t User Info... | for sure doesnt. oops. - Thu, 23 Jan 2003 8:06pm | ||
| Morgan User Info... | I dont have the time to read over all this bullshit about sweat shops being OK, so I am just gonna offer my opinion. *ahem* Maybe mr.chump guy has a point about differing standards of living, and maybe some people could live off of $4 a day quite happily, thats to say if they did get payed that $4 at all. The reality of it is that most sweat shop workers don't even get payed that money that they are working for. They are lured in with promises of a steady paycheck, and for many that $4 figure is quite compelling. So they leave their homes, families, children etc. etc. most of them coming from other countries (thus having to pay their own way over with a costly plane ticket)So they are already a few $100 in the hole. Then they arrive at the sweatshop to be locked into tiny living quarters with hundreds of other workers, made to work inhumane hours at a grueling pace without bathroom or lunch breaks, not allowed to leave the sweatshop premises for months or years. If they are to slow they are fired without their pay, if they get injured they are fired without pay, if they become pregnant? (most of these workers being women) FIRED! Want to go home a see their family? FIRED! And dont even think of trying to go to the authorities, cause if the sweatshop is discovered and shut down then ALL of the workers will be ou ton the streets with, Thats right! NO PAY! They are kept there for years without one glimpse of a single paycheck and when they finally ask for the money they are owed they are again threatened with being fired without receiving a single cent. They are basically working as indentured slaves and most of the time workers receive no money at all for years of work and have to return home to their families completely humiliated and with no money to support them. So ya, $4 a day, I am sure, is dream come true to most people who work in sweatshops but the fact of the matter is, they never even see it. BOO-YA! I fully agree that one should educate themselves before jumping on any bandwagon, but it can never hurt to be a somewhat consciencious consumer. The power of our wallets seem to be the only power we really hold anymore (Democracy? Psha-right!), so bravo to the folks out there who actually stop for a second to think before they BUY BUY BUY!!!!! - Thu, 23 Jan 2003 8:52pm | ||
| Anonymous | Do any of the chumps have any evidence of the sweatshops in operation in Asia that are used by the Gap? - Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:02pm | ||
| Anonymous | It doesn't matter if their culture and standard of living allows them to live off of this suppossed $4 a day pay check. The real issue is that the companies could afford to pay them considerably more than what they do, and in choosing to have their sweatshops located in countries that allow them to get away with paying their workers $4 a day is simply the corporation EXPLOITING their culture for reasons of greed. Otherwsie, they'd keep all their factories in western countries where they would, technically speaking, be forced to pay their workers twice as much per hour as they currently pay their workers per day. If the workers were able to live off of 50cents a day and the companies still made as much as they do, it would still eb morally wrong. - Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:10pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | wasn't this supposed to be about some cock pump in Value Village? Lose the morals. - Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:18pm | ||
| Anonymous | 'The real issue is that the companies could afford to pay them considerably more than what they do' Fuck, the same thing goes for every boss I've worked for. Could but don't. There are a lot of broke, poor, hungry people on this island too, but I guess it's more fashionable (and easier) to focus on those overseas........ - Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:45pm | ||
| Anonymous | I didnt know Value Village sold cock pumps! - Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:55pm | ||
| Destr-OiOiOi User Info... | There should definitely be some restrictions made to prevent blatant exploitation like this. Maybe a greater tax for corporations importing their products from other countries, or setting legal standards on workers' rights for all foreign factories. - Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:06pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | I hate to comment on ethical or moral type threads because they are really a waste of time. But if someone is working in a sweatshop and they don't get paid what they are owed the first time, staying there to continue working is a stupid decision. I don't care how poor you are, doesn't mean you have to be stupid. Continue your futile arguing that will not help anyone who works in a sweat shop... - Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:38pm | ||
| Anonymous | It doesn't amount to much more than a fashion statement for a lot of these people (goes well with pachouli) to jump on the latest 'socially hip topic'...one that is far enough away that they will never have to get actively involved in. - Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:42pm | ||
| lorralien User Info... | VV, sally ann, and other places similar are wicked places to get freaky ass clothes for cheapo. BTW, I've seen lots of brand name stuff in those type of stores, so I guess in a way would they be supporting global destruction, and child labour (or cheap labour) as well? If you really think about it, you could take anything we use on a daily basis (the food we eat, the computers we use, the clothes we wear, the sex toys we analy penetrate) and find that the manufacturing company or corporation responsible are bastards in some way, shape or form. Unless we live under some moss in Carmanah valley naked and eating grubs and tree bark, all of us support greed and evil to some extent. Pass the sea salt, please. - Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:45am | ||
| pleaseexplain | the world would be a lot shittier with more unemployment than it would be with more underpaid work. - Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:51am | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | no it wouldn't. - Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:52pm | ||
| Jay Watts User Info... | "But if someone is working in a sweatshop and they don't get paid what they are owed the first time, staying there to continue working is a stupid decision. I don't care how poor you are, doesn't mean you have to be stupid." Do you think that people in situations like that have any options? What? Move to another sweatshop? I don't think the issue is as simple as you've so eloquently put it, Mr. Hell. Besides the fact that most sweatshops exist in a quasi-legal atmosphere of oppression and exploitation (often hiring children), there's also thinking that the possibility of being paid is a lot better than a guarantee of starving without an income. Your statement (above) is fucking arrogant, ignorant, and (surprise, surprise) stupid. I haven't really been following this post, so I don't know if you're shooting your proverbial mouth off in response to something or you genuinely believe that bullshit, euro-centric line of reasoning. jay - Fri, 24 Jan 2003 1:06pm | ||
| Truthsayer | Another one on the fashion bandwagon. - Fri, 24 Jan 2003 1:38pm | ||
| Areo | hey, Jay--- weren't you upholding the actions, and chic-ness, of the Khmer Rouge and Pol Pot quite recently??? I certainly see a lack of consistency in your political views. are you defeatist or are you not?? - Fri, 24 Jan 2003 2:35pm | ||
| Jay Watts User Info... | ...And will continue to uphold such actions and "chic-ness." jay - Fri, 24 Jan 2003 3:38pm | ||
| Jay Watts User Info... | As for a lack of consistency in my political views - chances are you're going to find some incongruous statements made by yours truly on an internet messageboard that routinely features threads related to "i'm sooooooooooooooooooo drunk" and "check out Jay Brown's cock." - Fri, 24 Jan 2003 3:39pm | ||
| Anonymous | where's my fan? - Fri, 24 Jan 2003 3:39pm | ||
| Karl Lagerfeld | this is fashion baby, fashion. - Fri, 24 Jan 2003 3:43pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | I was shooting off my proverbial mouth to a previous posting which used an example of some dumbass staying at a sweatshop job for a year (or maybe it was more), not getting paid ever. Then finally demanding pay and being denied. It's not about how I feel about sweatshops, because I won't get into that. It's a useless argument. It's about how being poor doesn't mean you have to allow yourself to be taken advantage of. And yes, maybe move on to a sweat shop that actually pays what they promise. Like someone else said in this post, alot of the countries that these atrocious companies set up shop in have a lower cost of living so $4 a month gets you by. It sucks, but there isn't alot you and I can do about it. These threads suck. And yes, all knowing Jay Watts, King of all he surveys...I am being arrogant. Just as much as you. However, not ignorant or stupid. Unfortunately for some, this world is based on survival of the fittest and strongest, so we all have to watch out for ourselves. Reality, man. It's out there. - Fri, 24 Jan 2003 5:52pm | ||
| matt t User Info... | I dont agree with the "only person we have to watch out for is ourselves" thats what made the world the shitty place it is now. Its that kind of mentality that I really dislike. - Fri, 24 Jan 2003 7:26pm | ||
| Anonymous | Talker. - Fri, 24 Jan 2003 8:14pm | ||
| Troutbreath | Talker ........geez don't you think you're kind of personal. I mean call a guy an asshole, or a wankjob or even tell them you're going to put something up their rectum but.....wow .....a talker. This is a new low even for this website. - Fri, 24 Jan 2003 8:17pm | ||
| Chris Logan User Info... | My wife bought me a black Gap V-neck sweater from Value Village recently. Should I wear it? It looks pretty good with a white shirt. - Fri, 24 Jan 2003 8:47pm | ||
| Anonymous | No, take it back. Or burn it in a sacred ritual with incense, and chant 'I don't like sweatshops, I am holy oh sun goddess, please forgive me" (chapter one: pachouli handbook code of ethics) - Fri, 24 Jan 2003 8:57pm | ||
| Anonymous | I am getting tired some.I better go put on my GAP jacket,and go get a non fat sugar free vanilla latte grande with no foam,from starbucks. - Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:07pm | ||
| Milton User Info... | Life is what you fucking make it. You can bitch about making $8 an hour at a gas station or you can brag about making $4 an hour at GAP ind. If you wake up and you are not happy, than you would do something about it, or become a goth and listen to marilyn manson. - Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:23pm | ||
| Trailer Park Boy Julian | To wear or not to wear... you're an adult you can do pretty much anything you want. Who really cares? Shit I got all sorts of brand name crap.... It still doesn't change how I feel about unethical practices though.... And I've NEVER worn patchouli and I ain't no hippie!! - Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:10pm | ||
| matt t User Info... | Theres a difference between recycling a gap tshirt and going out and buying a brand new one. Its not an attack on the way it looks, its on how it was made and who is profiting from what. Not buying something from a second hand clothes store accomplishes nothing, not buying it from a corporation that makes it shows that you arent willing to support unethical practices and the exploitation of the weak. - Sat, 25 Jan 2003 2:29am | ||
| some fuck | wow. I wonder who this cute VV guy is. He's really started something by being cute and shopping at VV. my mother makes a nice profit off of secondhand stores. she sells tons of shit from those places on the internet. in nov she made over $5k. the corporate whore, eh? WITCH HUNT! - Sat, 25 Jan 2003 2:34am | ||
| Chris Logan User Info... | Okay--I feel kinda shy about it. You guys let me know--I'll be the guy with the white shirt/black sweater set. - Sat, 25 Jan 2003 3:16am | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | matt t. : "I dont agree with the "only person we have to watch out for is ourselves" thats what made the world the shitty place it is now. Its that kind of mentality that I really dislike." Don't misquote me. It's right there above your post. The word "only" was not a part of that. Seriously, man...don't misquote me, or else! If you don't watch out for yourself, who will? It's quite pathetic to expect others to do so for you...unless they're your friends and you made the dumbassed mistake of getting black-out drunk. But that's another story. - Sat, 25 Jan 2003 6:06am | ||
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