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Don't piss off the fat kid!
| Message Board > Controversy and Quarantine > Don't piss off the fat kid! |
| Shaggy User Info... | http://www.ogrish.com/archives/2005/march/ogrish-dot-com-scissors_thrown_into_arm.wmv - Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:02am | ||
| Mi*coll* User Info... | whoa, that whole site is fucked up, man. - Sun, 27 Mar 2005 1:31am | ||
| Shaggy User Info... | As fucked up as the rest of the world /shrug Depends on your perceptions I guess. - Sun, 27 Mar 2005 3:58pm | ||
| Mi*coll* User Info... |  that shit is fucked up no matter your perceptions. - Mon, 28 Mar 2005 7:18pm | ||
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| Shaggy User Info... | Seems you've looked at quite a bit there..lol Guess you weren't THAT offended huh? :p And majority of that shit is just normal in their part of the world. Not going to judge something based on some tightass N American POV. - Mon, 28 Mar 2005 7:40pm | ||
| mica User Info... | The fact that this stuff is available to any kid who can type ogrish.com into a browser is what's fucked up. When I was a kid and something a little too harsh for a child to understand would come on the news, my parents could politely ask me to step out of the room for a minute, or shut the tube off. There is no way to turn this shit off. I walked into Compusmart a few years back and hit the mouse on a Mac - the thing came out of standby with a 800x600 pic of a guy who'd shot himself in the face with a shotgun. How would you explain that to a five year old if he'd tapped the mouse? You think that you could come up with something that would make him forget about it? I doubt it. This shit has its place, but not unrestricted in the Public domain. - Tue, 29 Mar 2005 5:25pm | ||
| Gman User Info... | Mica: While I agree these things are shocking and sometimes repugnant, it is unfortunately the way the world is. Many children in violent impoverished countries don't even get the pleasure of viewing images on a computer - they get it first hand. Given that, if I saw that image at CompuSmart, I wouldn't leave there without a free wireless mouse to make up for the nausea. - Tue, 29 Mar 2005 6:01pm | ||
| Mi*coll* User Info... | Regardless of whether that type of shit is "normal" in another part of the world, it is still brutal by anyone's standards. Rather than accepting that type of shit in our society, we should try to limit it in those other parts of the world. Put me in Mica's "protect the children" camp. We have gotta have some enforceable ethical line regarding accessibility to media content, just like on this board we have the "controversy and quarantine". - Tue, 29 Mar 2005 9:09pm | ||
| Shaggy User Info... | 'we should try to limit it in those other parts of the world.' How? By pulling a Dubyah and force people to not act that way? Sorry. Feel free to do that within our own society, but we don't have any right to force our POV on another part of the world. - Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:32pm | ||
| WILLEM User Info... | hmmmmm. - Wed, 30 Mar 2005 9:25am | ||
| Mi*coll* User Info... | POV has nothing to do with it. Brutality is a bad thing according to anybody. Nobody likes to see their family members beheaded or torn to pieces- it is a cultural universal, a part of human nature even. - Wed, 30 Mar 2005 1:32pm | ||
| Shaggy User Info... | If it was a 'cultural universal' then none of that shit would ever happen and peace would rain down on us daily. What fucking rubbish.. Tell me that the family of some sick fuck father/mother that molested/beat his daughter(s)/son(s) down daily wouldn't get enjoyment out of watching the fucker be torn to shreds. Going to tell me people didn't want to see Pol Pot tortured publically? Too bad they didn't have the chance, but got 'even' with him on his death, and I quote... "His body is cremated on a pyre of old car tyres beside a village latrine. The site is later enclosed by a crude timber shelter roofed with old sheets of corrugated iron.' Sounds like you live in a dreamworld for christ sakes and know nothing about how other cultures feel and or react. - Wed, 30 Mar 2005 2:43pm | ||
| mica User Info... | nobody is saying that it doesn't exist or that it should be ignored. truths should be told/shown/heard, but you're beyond ignorant if you're putting this stuff on display without giving any forthought as to who your viewing audience might be. if a guy gets murdered on the street you don't have to take your kid to the scene to help him understand that bad things happen in the world. so why would bring that scene to kids? - Wed, 30 Mar 2005 5:42pm | ||
| User User Info... | I can't even play the file. - Wed, 30 Mar 2005 6:04pm | ||
| Shaggy User Info... | So really your point is that parents should be doing their jobs, as parents, so their kids don't see this? I have no issue with that whatsoever. Problem is, most parents use the computer as a babysitter. So if any kid does get to see any of this, it's a parent not doing their job and has nothing to do with a 'cultural universal' against this type of content. The internet is freedom of information of all forms. Not just the ones that are deemed socially acceptible. - Wed, 30 Mar 2005 6:06pm | ||
| MP User Info... | Shame on you, Shaggy. You're such a loser. - Wed, 30 Mar 2005 8:49pm | ||
| mica User Info... | you think a kid's access can be controlled by a parent? what, net nanny? lock them in their room? stand behind them while they're sitting at the computer? tell them, "don't go there"? come on man, you're smarter than that. freedom of speech doesn't buy you the freedom to desensitize. - Thu, 31 Mar 2005 8:06am | ||
| WiseGuY User Info... | UnForTuNateLy, MiCa, ShaGgy iS NoT SmarTer ThaN ThaT. - Thu, 31 Mar 2005 8:21am | ||
| Shaggy User Info... | You don't need any software other than a software firewall to control access to some sites, but the parent has to actually be active in the upkeep of the blocked list of url's. But yes I do think young children should be supervised when surfing the net or using chats. Hence my comment on parents using the computer as a babysitter. It's a tool, and all tools can be used to educate and enhance, or violate and abuse. The lack of care and attention kids recieve when they're using the computer is what causes asinine lawsuits against gaming companies that have violent content. Couple unbalanced kids decide to go on a shooting spree and it's all that games fault. Rubbish. The problem with todays society is that nobody wants to be responsible for their (in)actions. 'It's not my fault my child surfed to ogrish.com, while I was watching TV', 'It's not my fault my child grabbed one of my 45's and went on a rampage at school. He was such a quiet child, who wouldn't hurt a fly'. - Fri, 1 Apr 2005 9:20am | ||
| mica User Info... | do you have kids shaggy? if so, i'd really appreciate it if you could tell me how to monitor my children wherever they may go. i can and will teach them what i can about moral and ethical responsibilty. in my home there are and will continue to be boundaries. however, i'd be a fool to think that my kids aren't going to run into situations that are beyond my control. these "situations" are unavoidable and have happened to all of us as kids depsite our parents best efforts. however, there is a big, (and alarming) difference in what children are exposed to today as opposed to two decades ago. leaving it up to the parents isn't going to solve shit. there has to be some onus, beyond a written warning on the front page, on the people who are putting this stuff in the public domain. Bobby: Hey Mom, is it alright if I go on the livevictoria site to see if there are any guitars for sale? Mom: I'd like to see the site first. Ok, Gear Buy and Sell - looks good. Let me know what you find. You have fifteen minutes. 15 minutes later Mom: Bobby, did you find a guitar? Bobby: No, but I found a picture of this guy holding up another guy's head, a boy with his legs broken backwards and another dead guy hanging out of a car. I cannot recollect ever coming accross anything like that as a kid. Pictures like that, in our young minds, were urban myths. Innocence doesn't last long enough as it is. Should we really be increasing our efforts to strip it away? I don't agree with you Shaggy although you are right about one thing, that "The problem with todays society is that nobody wants to be responsible for their (in)actions". I don't think you'd be doing yourself a diservice by thinking about what you're throwing up and who might see it before you put it out there. - Fri, 1 Apr 2005 10:40am | ||
| Shaggy User Info... | Yepp, I do have kids. 17yr old son back home and a 12yr old son here. Sure as hell can guarantee I don't let my 12yr old watch extreme violence when he watches TV, and he's not even remotely interested in the net. What my 17yr old looks at falls strictly on his mothers shoulders. If any kids parents let them view that kinda of imagery at home then that's their decision, that doesn't mean that it's fine and dandy to allow other peoples kids to do so. Same thing if say a cybercafe allowed those types of sites to be viewed, which isn't the case, they'd be sued by parents left right and center. Kids aren't generally subjected to this type of imagery unless they live with it on a daily basis, or see it on the net. So yes, it all falls on the parents to ensure they know wtf their kid is doing on the net. Once they hit 18 they can do what they like, legally. But until that age it is the parents responsibility. I'm not going to condemn a webmaster/mistress for creating a site that hosts graphic imagery, that's within his/her rights to do. I'm not going to take the moral majority stance and infringe my POV on any culture where this type of savagery is practiced either. That was my original point. What one culture considers to be 'normal' another considers it barbaric. Nobody has the right, to force their cultures version of 'acceptible' on another culture. Normal, like sanity, is a relative term. Everyone has a different version of what normal is, even within cultural boundaries. - Fri, 1 Apr 2005 7:49pm | ||
| Mi*coll* User Info... | Ya, shaggy, I think beheading transcends any half-baked idea of cultural relativism that you might have. Pretty much everyone feels bad when their son gets beheaded. Here's a simple equation to illustrate my point: E(Unhappiness) = X(Beheadings) + R The coefficient X and the residual R might be culturally determined, but the number of beheadings is definitely going to have a positive effect on the expected unhappiness for all cultures. No way that you can argue with that! This equation represents a stochastic view of cultural difference, allowing for some variance but still indicating a trend. - Sun, 3 Apr 2005 3:43am | ||
| Anonymous User Info... | Here's an even simpler equation: S(Shaggy) + M(Mi*coll*) = I(Idiots). - Sun, 3 Apr 2005 10:55am | ||
| Shaggy User Info... | Actually that's not always true Mi*coll*. There are african/south american tribes that consider falling in battle to be more honorable, than falling dead from old age. Some of these tribes still collect heads as trophies. So it's not *always* true that it affects everyone the same. - Sun, 3 Apr 2005 4:26pm | ||
| Mi*coll* User Info... | Thats where the residual comes in, shaggy. But I'd still doubt that the amount of brutality increases the overall happiness. Anonymous, the value of the coefficient M is negative, right? hahaha - Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:17pm | ||
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