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Green Day - American Idiot
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| _Griphin_ User Info... | Whoa, probably some of their best work, this CD rocks!!! - Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:29am | ||
| The One After Two User Info... | I like track two... that song has some infectious parts and the concert in Vancouver awhile back was super swell. - Mon, 3 Jan 2005 7:30pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Wish I had seen them play live locally when they did. That would of rocked! - Wed, 5 Jan 2005 6:35pm | ||
| dumpstermesh User Info... | I saw them a few times back in da day, but I haven't heard this new album. You say it's good? - Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:32am | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Yeah, really good album, my favorite tracks are: Jesus of Surburbia (Track 2) and Homecoming (Track 12) but the whole CD is listenable. Just bought it from Lyle's, yep, even sounds better. - Sat, 8 Jan 2005 2:33pm | ||
| Luc User Info... | Thought this was a great cd! Fairly simple, and to the point...Greenday's style. I don't care what anybody says, they are a good fucking band!! - Wed, 12 Jan 2005 5:22pm | ||
| goofus User Info... | wahts with the green day rave? al there songs are the same he cant sing and its jsut another grunge spinoff band can no one else see that - Sat, 5 Feb 2005 11:30pm | ||
| The One After Two User Info... | people like grunge. still. - Sun, 6 Feb 2005 5:37pm | ||
| Onemosphere User Info... | Haha "grunge spinoff band". Because Green Day is so melancholy, apathetic and self deprecating. It speaks to Gen-Xers. No, Green Day are good because they write pop-rock with slight punk influence and it's fun to listen to. In some ways the remind me of the Ramones (now punk kids, give me hate) because they write simple, catchy songs. - Sun, 6 Feb 2005 7:25pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Their album is gonna win a ton of awards this year, and about time too. It's a really good album, but a lot of their material is catchy. I doubt there pop-punk, tho'. - Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:17am | ||
| goofus User Info... | i dont know if oyu were being sarcastic about melancholym apathetric a self depracating but green day is so not like that and neither was grunge. and yeah they are gonn awin a ton of awards and millions love them i dont argue with that - Mon, 7 Feb 2005 6:17pm | ||
| Onemosphere User Info... | Grunge wasn't melancholy, self depreciating, and apathetic? With song titles like "Rape Me", ofcourse not. How silly of me. - Mon, 7 Feb 2005 7:25pm | ||
| goofus User Info... | a)nirvana was not a grunge band and hated it when people called them a grunge band. they were punk/hardcore b)rape me is about what most of nirvanas songs are about- these white collar LA yups who think they can tell these young impressionable teens to wear what they tell them to, and act how they want them to, and listen to music they want them to listen to, these major label overproduced "bands" where the vocals and guitars alre all overdubbed and they flip the switch on the drum machine while the drummer goes to the back and whacks off and no one notices the difference. you ,my friend, is what smells like teen spirit and come as you are and most of their songs are trying to wake up. you, my dear friend, are raped. are you the only one? - Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:06pm | ||
| Onemosphere User Info... | So that's not apathy? Also, somehow I don't see Nirvana in the same genre as say... Minor Threat or Suicidal Tendencies. The fact is that regardless of what they called themselves, every sing music critic who has ever overanalyzed their work, ever, has referred to them as grunge. If you think you're an elephant, but everyone else says you're not, are you an elephant? - Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:03am | ||
| Onemosphere User Info... | Also, for the record, by the end of it Nirvana WAS what the "white collar LA Yups" wanted rebellious, angsty teens to listen to. - Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:06am | ||
| Brendan User Info... | Didn't any of you notice that every song on the new Green Day is a complete rip off of another song? There is not one single track that isn't a blatant rip off-sound alike of something else. It's horrible. I don't know if it was their idea of a tribute, or if they just ran out of ideas, but I think it's pretty weak. Especially when one of them is Oasis, who isn't worth being ripped off, then Johnny Cash, who shouldn't be disgraced like that. - Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:48am | ||
| The One After Two User Info... | goofus you live in a dream world. Onemosphere knows exactly what Nirvana was all about. Taking 'your' culture and selling it back to you is what the man is all about. Now Dave, he was hardcore, but he put that aside to pay the bills as the drummer for Nirvana. - Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:49pm | ||
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| joannagoanna User Info... | "If you think you're an elephant, but everyone else says you're not, are you an elephant?" alli gotta say is "its music. its not like fuckin science. what i say is, is" curt kirkwood, Meat Puppets your right onemosphere, they were what the prodicers and sellers wanted cause thats where the excitement was. they conformed to nirvana mania norvana never conformed. except second album 'nevermind', which totally sucked cause it was way overproduced, they went back to basics with in utero and following recordings, which got low ratings and about dave, yeah he was good but he was their sixth drummer. he didnt pay nothing. all he did was play drums and get money from kurts songs. hes still getting money from a sixty dollar box set that uncludes him on less than fifty percent of the tracks. and i do indeed live in a dream world. a world that only makes sense when i turn off the radio and mtv and put on those headphones - Tue, 8 Feb 2005 8:01pm | ||
| joannagoanna User Info... | oh yeah and goofus changed his name - Tue, 8 Feb 2005 8:14pm | ||
| Tdizzle User Info... | Ya... all I can say is Nirvana is grunge... you just can't argue that... but... you know, back to green day... Albums ok, i think Green Day's new style has either outgrown or just moved past me... Boulevard licks my nuts tho with that sap, Nimrod/Dookie are still the best - Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:18pm | ||
| Onemosphere User Info... | "alli gotta say is "its music. its not like fuckin science. " Followed by obscure Nirvana trivia and facts. - Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:14am | ||
| Nat User Info... | This reminds me of the article i just wrote about nirvana and our generation for camosuns paper: http://www.livejournal.com/users/evedestruction/ - Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:20pm | ||
| Onemosphere User Info... | So it was YOU who wrote that! - Wed, 9 Feb 2005 2:54pm | ||
| Nat User Info... | yes lol...im working on some others right now - Wed, 9 Feb 2005 3:29pm | ||
| joannagoanna User Info... | before you get to your others you msut know generation x was given to the generation after the baby boom. nirvana age was the next generation - Wed, 9 Feb 2005 7:27pm | ||
| shockerecords User Info... | parts of jesus of suburbia totally sound like all the young dudes to me.. - Wed, 9 Feb 2005 8:18pm | ||
| Nat User Info... | i know: generation y. notice the title of the article lol. - Wed, 9 Feb 2005 9:31pm | ||
| The One After Two User Info... | Nat I read your article! Joanna, Dave was in a couple bands (DC hardcore outfits I believe) before Nirvana and had just been kicked out of one in California when he loaded all his gear up and bussed it to Washington to join Nirvana (as their second 'real' drummer I think, please any jump in to correct me). Dave was a talented song writer then but he had respect for Kurt's band and was happy to bang the skins. Listen to Marigold, that is Dave's Nirvana song. Great track. - Thu, 10 Feb 2005 2:11pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Yeah, Dave Grohl is Nirvana's second drummer (Chad Channing originally drummed on "Bleach"). Dave can play every instrument, which he did on the Foo Fighters first CD (reason I got into the band) as well as Pocketwatch demos (I think Kir(d)t plays on a few songs on that CD). Oh yeah, and Marigold is on Pocketwatch. Yep, I tend to know too much about Nirvana cause I can relate to Kir(d)t Cobain (I guess). - Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:42am | ||
| DTjackson User Info... | I believe Grohl also played everything on Probot which is (for those who don't know) metal songs sung by real old school singers like King Diamond and Lenny from Motorhead. - Fri, 11 Feb 2005 3:10pm | ||
| joannagoanna User Info... | dave was in dc hardcore and also in Scream, which broke up. im reading off the box set here so theres no mistakes. heres nirvanas drummers 1)dale crover(the melvins) 2)aaron burckhard 3)dave foster 4)chad channing 5)mark pickerel 6)dave grohl. now i apologize if i made it seem like dave sucked or something or didnt influence the band, in fact i think hes my favorite drummer and was in the band for 3 years but dot forget nirvana did alot more stuff that required a drummer than just albums. i mean they did shows and radio sessions like every other band. that was when all these nobody drummers were used cause they never really had one for a long period of time. i know the influence dave had on the band, but seriolsy, we all know nirvana would be the same with a different drummer and probably a different bassist too. you can hate kurt but you cant hate him and love nirvana. and griphin, you may realate to kurt but learn from his mistake and dont takea shotgun to you head k buddy - Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:35pm | ||
| joannagoanna User Info... | oh yeah and nat about your article, you said we were generation y if 30 years ago was gen x, then wouldnt kurts generation be y? not us? im being a technical jerk but if i dont say it makes me look stupid. - Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:45pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Prove to me that Kurt killed himself. (eg. Who Killed Kurt Cobain by Ian Halperin and Max Wallace is an awesome book.) - Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:27am | ||
| joannagoanna User Info... | griphin shut up i knew someone was gonna bring that up. PROVE TO ME THAT YOUR BRAIN EXISTS. - Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:32am | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | I dunno, so many facts exist that make you wonder if Cobain killed himself, for instance, how did Cobain's credit card go missing when the suicide occured? It's interesting. - Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:12am | ||
| Nat User Info... | I've read at least five Cobain biographies and that one was by far the WORST and without any credibility. In fact, they even wrote a sequel, forget what its called. Why did they write a sequel? to make more money off the guy.If anyone has cashed in on Cobains death it's assholes like that. Kurt was bipolar (check one for suicide) he was a heroine addict (check 2) he did not suit fame, that is, his personality type was not suited for the publicity ect (check 3), his record label consistently restricted his creativity (check 4) and on and on and on... think about it, the guy walked around saying "look on the bright side, theres suicide" and wnated his third album to be called " i hate myself and i want to die". he shot himself in the head after injecting himself with heroine. Thats it. - Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:29am | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Yes, but he did so much Heroin, he couldn't of lifted any gun. Now I realize he had done heroin for quite a number of years, so the amount he injected wouldn't of killed himself, but he still couldn't raise the shotgun in any case. - Sun, 13 Feb 2005 2:10pm | ||
| goofus User Info... | im not a drug expert but maybe it was soon enough that the effect of the drug didnt fully get to him - Sun, 13 Feb 2005 7:42pm | ||
| Nat User Info... | the heroin he took would have killed him seconds after he pulled the trigger anyway. - Sun, 13 Feb 2005 8:06pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Apparently the level of heroin Cobain took was peaking on suicidal anyways. According to the cobaincase.com website: > After Kurt Cobain was found dead, his toxicology report indicated he had a heroin, (morphine) blood level of 1.52 mgs. This is three times a lethal dose, even for a hard core heroin addict! They also found Diazepam in his blood stream. BTW: the cobaincase.com website is Tom Grant's website. So how can someone kill themselves when they can't even raise the suicide weapon? For instance, perhaps he got someone to kill himself knowing his level of depression and suicide, for instance? - Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:26pm | ||
| Nat User Info... | You are apparently easily fooled. Those guys who wrote the who killed kurt book dont have a degree of any sorts. There just a couple of money hungry pricks. He killed himself. Read his journals. read heavier then heaven. Its an objective account of his life and cites quotes from the other members of nirvana, his family, friends ect. I mean, come ON, he ended his suicide note with a neil young quote "its better to burn out, then it is to fade away". The guy pulled the trigger after sticking a pen through the note he wrote in the potted plant beside him and taking heroin. - Mon, 14 Feb 2005 8:00am | ||
| $TIM$ User Info... | Umm, back to the GreenDay album, I gotta agree with Brendan. There is so much of this album that sounds like other groups. I really like the album, it's one of my favorites from them (I still think Warning was one of their best), but when I'm listening and I start singing Ring Of Fire, or Summer of 69, it annoys me. Still, makes an entertaining game to guess which tune any givin melody on this disc is borrowing from. You figure this was intentional? - Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:55am | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | I know Cobain didn't kill kimself because apparently the fingerprints on the shotgun he killed himself with were rubbed off. So ummm... how can a dead man do that? We'e already gone thru the level of Heroin in his body which was near suicidal and how someone else was using his credit card but stopped shortly after the body was discovered. Oh that wasn't a suicide note, it was an explanation of Cobain leaving the industry actually. But alas, believe what you want to. And yeah, the new Green Day CD does sound like a lot of their earlier hits, perhaps there running out of ideas?!? - Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:20am | ||
| $TIM$ User Info... | Hey Griphin, give up the conspiracy theory. "And yeah, the new Green Day CD does sound like a lot of their earlier hits" Not Greenday's earlier hits, I was refering to other peoples hits. I think this album is actually rather different for Green Day (beside the American Idiot song) - Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:47am | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | BTW: Green Day won album of the year last night at the Grammies!!! I don't know if the Cobain stuff is a conspiracy theory or why I even care about it, just like a lot of things I guess. - Mon, 14 Feb 2005 1:32pm | ||
| Brendan User Info... | Yeah I think it's possible that they did the soundalike thing on purpose. I mean, it seems pretty obvious, I can't imagine they didn't notice when they were working on it. It's too bad, too, 'cause Dookie's one of the best pop albums out there, and Warning was pretty good too. But Dookie's the shiznit. - Tue, 15 Feb 2005 3:19pm | ||
| dumpstermesh User Info... | 1039 Smoothed out Slappy Hours is where it's at for me. - Tue, 15 Feb 2005 4:13pm | ||
| Luc User Info... | All i got to say is...Griphin don't listen to them...ANYTHING is possible and nobody can actually say for sure what happened....Many people are making money off of the theory, including courtney love's father....he has realeased several books about how she could have killed him! But just because people are extorting it does not mean it is not possible it could have happened....besides IF everything griphin said was true...one or maybe even 2 of those factors could possibly be ignored...but ALL of them....all I'm saying is everybody should do some research before they just throw down and disregard a theory...perhaps somebody took advantage of the fact that kurt acted suicidal and got away with murder...or perhaps another junkie just shot himself through the head...but ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!!! anyways...just felt the need for somebody else to say that they at least supported the possibility of that theory. - Thu, 17 Feb 2005 8:47pm | ||
| superaaron User Info... | how did a kurt cobain thread bleed into a green day album review? - Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:32am | ||
| DTjackson User Info... | Anything is possible - Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:38am | ||
| Luc User Info... | "how did a kurt cobain thread bleed into a green day album review?" 1 post at a time! - Mon, 21 Feb 2005 5:20pm | ||
| superaaron User Info... | crazy - Tue, 22 Feb 2005 9:24am | ||
| KinChris User Info... | I can't fairly critique this album because I've only heard four songs and you couldn't pay me to listen to any more of it. Boring pop rock. I don't get it, I keep seeing this ad on tv with Billy Joe saying "question everything". From that statement I'm lead to believe that Green Day is trying to question society and conformoty. So why the fuck are they writing radio friendly pop rock that doesn't even come close to trying to push the envelope? My guess would be money. So OK Billy Joe, I'm "questioning everything", and right now I'm questioning Green Day's integrity. - Wed, 23 Feb 2005 1:24pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | hahaha! Corky. - Wed, 23 Feb 2005 6:16pm | ||
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