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Tranzmitors, V.C.'s Thee Manipulators @ Logan's
| Message Board > Show Reviews > Tranzmitors, V.C.'s Thee Manipulators @ Logan's |
| superslacks User Info... | Great to see a solid turnout at Logan's last night for three awesome Vancouver bands. Thee Manipulators were by far the most entertaining for me, Mike seemed to be celebrating which always makes for a drunk and entertaining show. Also great to see the Tranzmitors in their new form as a four-piece. I was left scratching my head as to why there were two throw-away amateur imports tacked onto the front of the bill (always great to see a greasy over-weight bearded dude strumming away . . . do I like to pay for that? Umm, no). For one it inflated the cover, and for another caused the Tranzmitors to cut their set short. Having to play their encore with the house lights on and PA off was pretty uncool, though they pulled it off in true punk rock style. - Sun, 13 Jun 2010 9:30pm | ||
| Talk's Cheap User Info... | Wow...thanks for coming...it was a great show! I just can't believe how clueless most of your post was though. Why were "two throw-away amateur imports tacked onto the front of the bill"? Because I think they are great bands, and exactly what Victoria needs more of! Amateur? It's punk-rock...what degree of prefessionalism are you looking for. All the bands came out and played great, energetic sets...that's all I need. Alot of people dug the Throwaways (first band) and Electric Kisses (second band)...shit, the Throwaways sold over 20 records at the show, so I think they went over fine. What does what a guy looks like or how much he weighs have to do with the music anyway? I book bands I like, based on the music...what they look like, dress like, and what instruments they play doesn't matter, as long as they show up and play a fun set. It WAS a bummer that the Tranzmitors did their encore with the lights and PA off...my fault, I didn't run shit tight enough...but people will be talking about the "Teenage Kicks" sing along in the dark for agaes. I dunno...I thought it was a great show, but to me, it's the opening bands that make a show like this. One thing Victoria needs is more young bands. If I could book a full festival of nbands you call throw-aways I would. The more people here thatsee that anyone can make killer music, no matter what they look like, their level of talent, how they dress, what instruments they play etc, etc, etc...the better. - Mon, 14 Jun 2010 9:18am Edited: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 9:21am | ||
| superslacks User Info... | Don't know man, I guess I've just seen way more bands than you. I like originality, and there was nothing new or interesting about those first two bands. Punk is about doing something other bands are not, and there's a LOT of bands who look and sound like shit. The Electric Kisses were kinda embarrassing, especially the drummer. The Throwaways were better back when they were called Cub. A couple semi-cute girls strumming and singing badly just so they can call it punk? Yawn. Done. Sorry to harsh on bands doing what they like, but you asked. - Mon, 14 Jun 2010 10:03am | ||
| Talk's Cheap User Info... | I dunno I've seen thousands of bands over the past 25 years and I still like to see people playing simple, fun, 3 chord songs. I'd pay to see a band doing their best to get through a set an playing at the top of their ability, and having fun...way bfore I'd lay out money to see a "professional" looking and sounding band, just going through the motions, or showing me how well they can play. There was nothing original about any of the bands that played the show on Saturday...every one of those bands is doing something that's been done before over the past 50 years...but I thought every band was great. Say what you will, but there are no bands doing thiskinda stuff in Victoria...so for Victoria right now, it is original. Hey...no big deal with you saying what you think about the bands...but comparing the Throwaways to Cub is a pretty lame comparison....musically the two bands sound nothing alike. You keep critisizing muiscal ability, talent and peoples appearances. What you don't get is that none of that figures into the equation when I book a show like this. The whole point is that none of that matters, and that EVERYONE should start a band. Personally, I played the shit outa the Electric Kisses Lp when it came out a few years back. I thought they were great. I make a point of playing with the Throwaways every time I play Calgary...and enjoy evry one of their shows. The other 3 bands on the bill are 3 of the best bands Western Canada has to offer...I thought it was a killer bill all around. Different worlds, right? A list of my fave bands would probably be met by all the same critisisms you had for the opening bands from Saturday. I mean, what would you say about a band like Supercharger? Glad you enjoyed some of the show though....I'll be doing more stuff like that coming up. You should come out to some of the other shows I do and see if you like some of that stuff. I've got White Lung ith the Radians playing in July... - Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:16am | ||
| superslacks User Info... | Ah well, I guess you gotta stick up for yer pals. I actually somewhat enjoyed the Throwaway's set, but I certainly wouldn't give them very high marks for originality or showmanship. I can totally defend the Cub comparison; in that I had the EXACT same reaction to seeing them for the first time - "Oh, they are SO adorable!" Sure, there have been at least 500 bands since that bear a closer comparison MUSICALLY, but that's the point; it is so done, done, done to death. I can't be bothered to care about or remember all the mediocre bands I've seen, life's too short. If I remember The Throwaways a year from now it'll be because of this conversation. You've seen thousands of bands? Not that this is a competition, but I have easily forgotten at least double that. I guess what disturbs me most about you Tieman, is that you think I care about musicianship, which I don't think I have ever said. Believe it or not, I actually agree with you on a lot of things. But where we seem to differ is in that I expect bands to give a shit, if they want me to give a shit about them. I am so sick of the too-cool-to-care niche - like when the drummer in the Electric Kisses botched the ending of probably three songs in a row, and then just shrugged and smiled. I decided if they don't care, I don't care, and left the room. It doesn't mean they sucked, just that if you're going to play like you would in your friend's living room, you better be fucking wicked - and they weren't. They were just ok. By contrast, when Thee Manipulators took the stage Mike basically declared it party-time, drinking shots onstage while Alex flashed his Mick Jagger mug at the audience. Did they play well? No, but it was fun. And when they got through they were completely soaked. Same with the Tranzmitors - they totally gave it up for their audience. THAT's the difference - bands who are willing to sacrifice for their art, and our entertainment. But no need to get yer panties in a twist just because I didn't think much of your friends' bands. I agree it was a worthwhile bill (otherwise I wouldn't have been there! he he he). But we all thought is was odd to put the two weakest bands, who travelled the furthest, and had to take the earliest sets, on a bill when you could have done a solid for a local band or two. Hey, it's your choice of course (and I kinda get your thinking), but it does little to grow the scene here when you snub the locals. And truly glad is was a good turnout. Just don't call me clueless again, or I'll be introducing your teeth to my fist. kidding. Um - which 'Supercharger' did you mean? The Estrus band? - Mon, 14 Jun 2010 2:27pm | ||
| Talk's Cheap User Info... | Snub the locals? Do local bands really give a shit if they play a bill like this or not? Most local bands I contact to play shows aren't interested in playing my bills. Then I do this and everyone complains that there aren't any local bands playing. We can see local bands anytime...isn't it more fun to see bands we've never seen before...or bands we rarely see? Really...there are just really no local bands that fit the bill. I'm hoping that by puuting 5 cool bands of different skills levels and styles of playing, on a bill...that maybe some people will dig what they see enough to start a new band that I can book to open the next show I book. I'm not defending friend's bands here...I don't have friends...I just book stuff I like and I'll stand behind it. I'm assuming you're in a local band who wanted to play the show? What local bands would you have liked to have seen on the bill/think would have better suited the show than the two openers? - Mon, 14 Jun 2010 7:46pm | ||
| superslacks User Info... | Awesome dude, you did it again! " . . .there are just really no local bands that fit the bill." I can think of at least half a dozen! I think it probably has more to do with the fact that you've burned so many bridges with your attitude, nobody wants to have their name associated with you (including moi). - and no, I'm not going to start throwing names anound and involving people who aren't part of this public conversation. You make a lot of sweeping statements suggesting the pool of bands in Victoria is inadequate (which turns a lot of people off). So when you put on an event with the arrogant goal of 'educating' us all about how awesome your tastes are, I say those bands had better be pretty fucking amazing. The first two were, as I said before, just kinda ok. My whole point from the start of this thread is that you sacrificed some bridge-building opportunities for the sake of your own vanity. It would probably be a waste of time trying to explain to you the many benefits of mixing local bands with travelling bands - in terms of combining draws, as well as promoting conversations among those bands so that when our locals go to other cities they have more support. You don't even seem to care that creating positive relationships with local musicians strengthens your position as a Promoter, so you might one day have the odd person stick up for you when people call you a dick. Whatever dude - it was a fine show, and I look forward to more like it. The fact you're holding me to this penny-ante shit is just plain annoying. If you can't take the smallest criticism I suggest you stop dishing it out. - Tue, 15 Jun 2010 10:28am | ||
| Talk's Cheap User Info... | I dunno...I've booked something like 14 out of town bands into town in the past year...alot fo those bands are relatively unknown. I've asked a few local bands to play the shows, and alot don't seem interested in opening for unknown bands...they don't even show up to check the bands out. Who showed up to check out the Sonic Avenues last week? Easily as good as the band from the show on Saturday, but nobody gave a shit. Nobody bugs me about opening for 90% of the shows I book...but I got tons of flack from members of local bands, for not putting them on Saturday night's show. You wanna build bridges? Drag your ass out to see all the other great outa town bands that play here almost every month, and support ALL the outa town talent...and not just the stuff you've already heard. Like I said, the reason I'm bringing these bands to town in the first place is to bring something to town that we don't have alot of...so there really aren't alot of like-minded bands in Victoria. There's nobody playing power-pop, 70's styled punk, raw garage, etc...so I'll try to bring some of that stuff to town in hopes of generating some interest. Hey, if there are seriously half a dozen local bands doing like-minded stuff...I must be missing something...I can think of two or three. Look, I don't book bands to make money or friends...I don't care what people think of me. I'm just trying to bring music that I think is great to town, and hope that a few other people pick up on it. For the most part, people have seemed to dig alot of the bands I've brought through...cool. I don't get it...are you just pissed that I didn't book your band or your friends bands instead of two bands you think are inferior? As far as I'm concerned, Saturday's how was the best I've seen in Victoria since I've lived here...that's good enough for me. - Tue, 15 Jun 2010 10:59am | ||
| superslacks User Info... | Why does it all have to be like-minded? A scene doesn't grow when everyone sticks to their own little corners - especially in a town this size. - Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:56am | ||
| Talk's Cheap User Info... | I'm not talking about booking bands that sound exactly the same...I'm talking about booking bands that are coming from similar places, have similar ideas about music, and draw from some of the same influences (musical and non-musical). I'm not interested in booking bands I don't like, or can't get fully behind. This city doesn't need to see the same local bands over and over again...nothing's gonna get better that way. - Tue, 15 Jun 2010 12:07pm | ||
| Daners User Info... | Show was rad dude, don't worry about it. - Thu, 17 Jun 2010 9:54am | ||
| Jl User Info... | hey slacks....i've never actually heard your music before**(im not being a dick); aaaand, is it you that does the amp repairs? for the show review, I think everyone has their opinions... whether or not the promoter "burned bridges" or not; he still puts on shows, and regardless if its 'local bands' or not. Hell, Id play one of those bills and Im pretty sure we'd stick out a bit from the raw punk kinda stuff... but, I love playing no matter what!!(and no matter what anyone else thinks :D) - Mon, 21 Jun 2010 7:15pm | ||
| superslacks User Info... | Hey Jl. Y'know I thought I gave the show an overall positive review. I can't believe my one criticism was recieved so poorly, or that I should have to defend my opinion. A number of people I spoke with felt the same as me (including people playing that night) - and yeah, there was certainly bands who felt they could have been on that bill. The implication that I'm in one of those bands is false, but I can see why Tieman would cling to that notion of 'sour grapes'. The fact that I had no interest in playing that show was exactly why I felt I should say something on behalf of people who maybe felt a little snubbed (my interpretation). At the end of the day, is this really a major crime? No, of course not. . . not even a new krime . . . I just know it's hard for new bands to find an audience and shows like that one are a great opportunity to put up-and-comers in front of people. Tieman obviously disagrees - he thinks your band sucks. He thinks all Victoria bands more or less suck, and he's not too shy to say that. It seems like a pretty negative outlook to me, but whatever. So, to sum up - GREAT show, love to see more, even better with local talent as well. Now, amps - yes, I am one of a few people on this forum who services all sorts of electronics. I try to keep it pretty affordable by doing it in my spare time as musicians generally have fuck all for cash. I also give free advice. ;) - Tue, 22 Jun 2010 1:55pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Sometimes people aren't into bands. Sometimes bands suck. Knowing the difference between the two could save your life, show and energy arguing about it on the internet. - Wed, 23 Jun 2010 8:17pm | ||
| Talk's Cheap User Info... | Who felt snubbed? Nobody but you has said anything but positive things about that particular show. I think it IS sour grapes. I think I talked shit about your band, and you're pissed about it...and that you would have loved to have played that bill, but wouldn't have played it even if I'd have asked you, because you hold some juvenile grudge. Fact is, I've talked shit about very few local bands in particular since I've lived here...I've made a point of not being an asshole. There is only one band in town that actually took anything that I said to heart and holds a grudge...so it's pretty easy to figure out who you are, Superslacks. I don't think all local bands suck...I just think it needs more variety, etc. Like I said, there's only ONE band in town that's holding a grudge...this isn't about other bands who could've/should've been on the bill...don't pretend you care...it's about your band. This one bill out of many that I put on over a year...nobody wants to play most of the shit I do...why should I go out of my way to put bands that have turned me down 3 times, and a bill? - Thu, 24 Jun 2010 7:20pm | ||
| Ty Stranglehold User Info... | It was a rad show. All the bands were great. Electric Kisses' record is great, as is The Throwaways. Thee Manipulators owned it and in all honesty, Tranzmitors couldn't hold up the energy that Thee Manips brought. Oh yeah, Vicious Cycles were pretty damn great too. I'm scratching my head trying to figure out which Victoria bands should have been playing this show. I've seen 18,465 bands (although I may or may not have forgotten three quarters of those) so I guess I'm sadly out of the loop. - Mon, 28 Jun 2010 10:29pm | ||
| superslacks User Info... | Hey Ty, I agree it was a fine show. I just felt it was a little out of balance not having a local rep on the bill. And considering how many times Tieman has ragged on Victoria bands being so bland, it felt like a deliberate snub; against ALL Victoria bands. I am so not interested in WHO from the local pool should have been on that bill. I'm talking more from the point of view that with five out-of-town bands SOMONE was destined to get the short end. In this case it was the Tranzmitors for having to start so late. And why were they short on time? The sets were actually REALLY tight, it seemed to me it was because the first band went on too late. Now, if you're gonna put FIVE bands on one night you gotta start them pretty early, right? Well if you do that, then the opening band kinda gets screwed for having to go on before a decent audience arrives. Well, the problem (in my opinion) with all the above, is that Tieman didn't book a local opener for the first slot. He put the band who travelled the furthest, and probably cost the show the most, on first. Was a band in that position going on at 8:30? Fuck no. A local opener might, but not Tieman's Calgary darlings. So they go on at 10:whatever, and the headliner gets screwed with a 15 minute set (well, they played longer but pissed off the bar in the process). Look, I'm glad I got to see the Throwaways and the Electric Kisses. But seems we paid for them with an abridged Tranzmitors set, and I didn't feel like that was a very good deal. If the Throwaways were so awesome they should have headlined. I was probably too harsh in my posts above (I shouldn't talk about people's weight), but I can't give either band better than 'ok'. But y'know . . . that's just MY opinion. I'm still glad I saw the show. . . well, what I recall now anyway. . . Wasn't that a month ago? - Tue, 29 Jun 2010 1:16am | ||
| Ty Stranglehold User Info... | Opinions are good. and I'll respect yours. I felt the attack on the two openers wasn't warranted, but you've addressed that. Fine. It's true you seem to take issue with Tiemen and that's fine too, but you have to understand that his mandate in putting on shows is to bring out of town bands here. I can respect that. It is something that Victoria has been lacking for a VERY long time. Since you've see so many bands, I'm sure you remember back to Harpo's or The Limit where there was touring bands coming through town every week without fail. The local scene needs that to continue to grow as well as expose itself to the outside world. I am interested in the local bands who should have been on the bill because if they're out there I'm missing out on some rad bands right here in my own backyard. Hit me with a list via email if you like. Since we're all supporters of live music, there really isn't too much reason to be arguing over a show that we all liked. See you out there. - Tue, 29 Jun 2010 10:14am | ||
| Talk's Cheap User Info... | Dude...you're just being a douche. Yeah...I didn't run the show tight enough. My fault, but nobody in Victoria shows up to shows on time and I'm not gonna have bands play to nobody. My fault. To me, the most important bands to book are the ones that nobody has ever seen or heard of...that's the #1 reason I book shows...to bring NEW bands to town.I'm sorry your band (or your friends bands) didn't get on the bill...but if you could come up with one local band that would have made that a better bill, I'd book them in a second. Seriously...just name the band or bands that you think I should have booked to open the show, that would have fit the bill. You won't do it. We live in different worlds...I book what I like and try to do the best with that...if there is a local band that will make a bill better, I'll ask them to play. Half the time, local bands turn me down because they've never heard of the out of town band...or they've got something better going on. You attend one show I put on (out of 10 or so this year)...come to see bands you've already seen 3 or 4 times, and bitch about the bands you've never seen. Whatever...you're not the person I'm doing these shows for. I bring out of town bands through all the time...there is almost always a local opener. I haven't seen you at one of those shows. Look, I do what I like, and hope a few other people like it too. Simple as that...if you have a problem with me or the way I do things, that's fine...you aren't the first to feel that way, and you won't be the last. Forget telling us what band you're in...What's the name of your magazine? Radio Show? Distro? What shows are you booking? etc, etc. If you're so big on helping the local scene...what are YOU doing? - Tue, 29 Jun 2010 10:25am | ||
| superslacks User Info... | Ty - thanks for getting that I'm not gonna post a list of bands here, just so Tieman can rip them all apart. I've been sucked into his confrontations in the past, so for now I'm just gonna ignore him and pass on the negativity. For an opening-opening-opening slot? Since I like all sorts of music you could put pretty much anything there. I'd love to see DTJackson do a set, that would be cool. I get what you mean about Harpo's and the Limit. That's really what I'm talking about - Marcus brought a lot of amazing stuff in, and was ALWAYS giving new local bands a break by putting them on great bills. But that was a different time, when you could have a venue like those. - Tue, 29 Jun 2010 1:37pm Edited: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 2:08pm | ||
| Talk's Cheap User Info... | I'm sick of you talking about MY negativity. I've made a point of trying not to make nagative comments over the last while, and try to make a positive contribution to the Victoria music scene, by bringing some different bands to town. You're the one who came on here and ragged on the bands I chose to book, while offering no viable local options for future shows. It's petty shit...instead of complaining about what I'm doing wrong...do it better yourself. Shit...if everyone else was doing it, I wouldn't have to do anything at all. - Tue, 29 Jun 2010 8:27pm | ||
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