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Straightedge Hardcore? WHY?
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| Jon BTJ User Info... | Ive noticed something.. i love hardcore.. but why are all the bands on Vancouver Island Straightedge? (im sure there are a few that arent, but 90%) I mean, id love to mosh at some shows.. or at least rock out with out getting smacked in the face by some kid swashbuckling, or doing the ski dance, or doing lil ninja kicks. Can anyone explain this to me? - Wed, 26 May 2004 3:25pm | ||
| x Buddy x User Info... | Actually NONE of the hardcore bands on Vancouver Island are Straightedge , Most do have straightedge memebers though. I think Cut Throat Dynasty is the only straightedge band I know of in town , but their not really a hardcore band. War By Other Means is almost a Straightedge band , with only one non-edge member and no straightedge lyrics as of yet. And as for the the ski-dance and ninja kicks ; it's called hardcore dancing , it's how we mosh to hardcore , like skanking is to ska. Jon BTJ : are you in the band Better Than Jesus ?? I am looking forward to checking you guys out on Friday , I be ready to ski-dance , hope you have lots of breakdowns !!! - Wed, 26 May 2004 4:30pm | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | Considering the one vocalist is a nekkro kvlt maniac, i highly doubt the presence of any "breakdowns". - Wed, 26 May 2004 4:45pm | ||
| x Buddy x User Info... | Dark Melodic metalcore with no breadowns ? is there any hardcore influences at all ?? metalcore or just metal ?? - Wed, 26 May 2004 4:52pm | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | well one member is in love with Misery Signals, so there might be...but then again...as i said...their one vocalist is pretty grim and troo. - Wed, 26 May 2004 5:06pm | ||
| jay brown User Info... | Misery Signals rule. - Thu, 27 May 2004 1:07am | ||
| josh User Info... | Isn't AWT straightedge? - Thu, 27 May 2004 2:28am | ||
| maniac User Info... | Aren't Unstoppable Android straightedge? I think they might be........."Ooooooooooooooh let's make a run for it! It might be catchy!" Who the f*** cares! Question: What is the difference between metalcore and metal? Please explain, I'm ignorant! - Thu, 27 May 2004 2:48am | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | Misery Signals are good.. Anyone heard their newest release yet? - Thu, 27 May 2004 4:12am | ||
| mike saturday User Info... | TOUGH AS NAILS - 2/5th sxe. no edge lyrics WAR BY OTHER MEANS - 1/5th sxe, no edge lyrics CLOAK - 0/6th sxe SELF INFLICTED - 0/5 sxe (i'm assuming..) AK47 - tony g. never drinks, but he's too cool to be SXE. and as for hardcore dancing, you'll notice before the good parts we push everyone out of the way. that's so we don't hit anyone. - Thu, 27 May 2004 4:43am | ||
| mikesaturday User Info... | THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN METALCORE AND METAL: i'm assuming you know what METAL is, so i wont explain that. think meatlocker 7. METALCORE is HARDCORE that is heavily influenced by metal. the song writing is a mix of both genres, but can vary from very hardcore stuff with little metal riffs to mostly metal but with breakdowns and lots of E chord chugga chugga. if you have a MP3 downloading program check out CALIBAN, the first POISON THE WELL record, or BLEEDING THROUGH. these are all very metally HC bands. HIMSA and DARKEST HOUR are more on the metal side, but still very obviously HC influenced. - Thu, 27 May 2004 4:49am | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | Despite me liking Darkest Hour and most metalcore in general, alot of it rips off At The Gates like it's no tomorrow. Even though everyone think's a i'm a metal purist, I allow the occasional hardcore cd come into my possession...the greatest hardcore band i've heard in awhile is Lickgoldensky...f'n awesome record. Ooh and if you consider Ed Gein hardcore, their cd is grrreat too. - Thu, 27 May 2004 5:04am | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | Agnostic Front mofos!!!! P.S. I live straight edge, but I do not consider myself SXE . . . and I'm in a death metal band! So there. - Thu, 27 May 2004 6:02am | ||
| moron User Info... | SXE Ninja kicks and such fucking rock. People don't freak out enough at shows and it's lot cooler to dance it up than it is to take part in the jocko homo tackle mosh that most pits turn into. Both have their plusses of course (I'm not dissing moshing) but it's a lot more fun to watch caffeine hyped straight edge kids doing backflips than a drunken Jak fall on their ass repeatedly. Plus Ninja kickers tend to leave room for others to dance. Drunken frat boy moshers stick like shit to your shoe if you try to dance. The mosh kept following me around in fact at the last gig I felt like moving around at. The SXE Ninjas would have let me be. =) Let the kids blow off steam already. - Thu, 27 May 2004 7:02am | ||
| D�d[]Sanger User Info... | I wanna go to a show and sip a vegatable smoothy instead of a beer!!! straight for life beiotches!!!! - Thu, 27 May 2004 7:15am | ||
| Danny Silverfish User Info... | what does sxe mean ? and why is "ninja dancing" cool, how come boys are wearing girl pants and and early eighties foam trucker hats, when did this become cool?And how come its lame to get all fucked up and fall over( Iam not saying this is the thing to do)? Does this offend straight edge kids? It sounds like the goerge bush youth core.(in stern voice)Sir in 5 to 10 years if we can keep them off the drugs, into wearing the same clothes and doing ninja kicks we can have them ready to invade Iran! - Thu, 27 May 2004 8:22am | ||
| D�d[]Sanger User Info... | SXE = Straightedge And I resent this term "ninja dancing", and upon sight may just have to show the kiddies how "ninjas" really dance.. Hahahah - Thu, 27 May 2004 8:59am | ||
| mike saturday User Info... | QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD A - s= straight e= edge. the x is there because X is the straight edge symbol. people who went to bar/all ages combo shows used to get x's drawn on their hands if they were underage so they couldnt buy booze. then people who DIDNT WANT booze started doing it to make a point. Q - why is "ninja dancing" cool A - it's fun. moshing around punk style is fun too, but if you're listening to a band that has breakdowns, it's kind of hard to dance like that. Ninja Dancing, also known as Moshing, Throwing Down, or Hardcore Dancing was made up to go along with the super slow parts of hardcore songs. Q - how come boys are wearing girl pants and and early eighties foam trucker hats, when did this become cool? A - it's been cool for a couple of years. Trucker hats are now going OUT of style because they're so mainstream, and you know us counterculture people, we hate the idea of someone thinking we're mainstream. Boys are wearing girls pants because they want tight, low rise pants and no one makes those for boys. boys pants are always baggier, even the "slim fit" ones. Q - And how come its lame to get all fucked up and fall over( Iam not saying this is the thing to do)? A - falling over is lame? awe c'mon. falling over! it's so great! you get to look stupid AND maybe hurt yourself. Q - Does this offend straight edge kids? A - Mostly if offends people who want to put on shows. If you put on an all ages show and the venue finds beer bottles and cigarette butts and kids drinking out front, then they'll get in trouble, so they don't let you put on all ages shows there anymore. Obviously some shows it's different. Some shows are put on my drunk punks and they want everyone to get tanked and they dont care. Other shows (Like all the James Bay Community Center shows) dont want anyone drinking or smoking. They realize that people are still going to, so they let you do it around the back so no one gets in trouble, but kids still smoke out front. "Sir in 5 to 10 years if we can keep them off the drugs, into wearing the same clothes and doing ninja kicks we can have them ready to invade Iran!" There are some SXE people who want everyone to not drink. I dont know any of them. all the edge people i know in Victoria are Straight Edge for themselves. They'd rather if no one got thier venue shut down, but other than that they dont give a shit what you do. None of the people i know that wear girls pants want everyone else to wear them too. Same goes for the Ninja Dancers. if you want to dance with us, please do. have fun. if you dont want to, we're not going to be bummed. no one's forcing any sort of Hardcore dresscode. last show i went to there were just as many metal skids as there were hardcore fags. same goes for punk rockers. why everyone gotta hate? . - Thu, 27 May 2004 8:59am | ||
| Danny Silverfish User Info... | Man , that was as cool as an answer as I could of asked for. Nice to see ego checked at the door isn't it. thanks - Thu, 27 May 2004 9:26am | ||
| KnifeGhost User Info... | And in the George Bush Youth Corp, it's mandatory to have a period of "youthful indiscretions" between the age of 16-42, in which alcoholism is necessary for membership, with a cocaine problem recommended, but not required..... - Thu, 27 May 2004 10:00am | ||
| mystery geust User Info... | GOD BLESS NINJA KICKS AND DANCING LIKE ROBOTS! - Thu, 27 May 2004 10:43am | ||
| Tragedy User Info... | What the fuck is wrong with kids today? - Thu, 27 May 2004 11:12am | ||
| Tragedy User Info... | Answer that one, bitch! - Thu, 27 May 2004 11:13am | ||
| Jon BTJ User Info... | Ahoy.. wow.. i hit a vein here... aight.. i suppose i was just confused by the Xs thats pretty much surround a lot of Van Isle hardcore... xVxIxHxCx par example.... makes it seem pretty straightedge... and yea.. theres nothing much wrong with ninja dancing.. but getting messy and falling over is just a classic thing to do! And yea, you may hurt yourself, but you wont feel it til the next day, and youll be hurting then anyways.. and as for Better Than Jesus.. its pretty hard to define, blackdeathmelodicmetalcore? hmm we dont really try to stick to any genre.. we just cutt butts.. but yea.. were hoping itll be more mosh than swashbuckle..(as in waving a sabre.. hardcore dancing stylee..) on friday.. check it out, hopefully youll like it.. - Thu, 27 May 2004 12:05pm | ||
| Troo_Kvlt User Info... | One time I ate a pound of pistachios and my poo was green! - Thu, 27 May 2004 12:09pm | ||
| Jon BTJ User Info... | that was sick... what about the mess in your kitchen after lil AZNs birthday, that sounded pretty sick as well as for breakdowns... well.. theres a couple.. they are short though.. so you can dance yourself silly before the pit kicks back in - Thu, 27 May 2004 12:45pm | ||
| Troo_Kvlt User Info... | As far as not drinking goes that's totally cool by me, a lot of my friends choose not to drink and that's perfectly fine and actually a rather responsible thing to do. But why do you SXE kids feel that you need to run around with X's on your hands and flaunt it. It's almost as if you're trying to say "Look at me, I dont drink. I'm better than you guys. Na na na na na naaah!" It's not like people who DO drink run around with "Beer please" across their foreheads. - Thu, 27 May 2004 2:17pm | ||
| moron User Info... | I'm not a fan of straight-edge in the formal "scene" sense - Ian Mackaye always struck me as a creepy bastard in old Minor Threat footage, totally cultish, not much of a surprise that Krisna crept into that scene, etc. But flaunting it because they put Xs on their hands? How's that any different than flaunting drunk punk by getting a mohawk or shit, holding up your beer? Everyone's got their symbols (or steals someone else's). - Thu, 27 May 2004 2:52pm | ||
| User User Info... | lol, The whole straightedge thing is hilarious, why do people who don't do drugs have to be in a little club. All the smokers and drinkers should start something, call it warpededge. That would be funny. - Thu, 27 May 2004 3:43pm | ||
| BTJon User Info... | YES! we can draw O;s on our hands!!! anyways... im not a big fan of mini-cultures. Especially since most punk type music is anti-society or whatever, whats the point of creating your own little one? its like hey... i dont like y'all.. im gonna join a little club and wear the uniform... BY THE WAY! THATS JUST MY OPINION! I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST ANYTHING! ITS JUST MUSIC! (phew* asbestos....) - Thu, 27 May 2004 4:02pm | ||
| Tragedy User Info... | I was in a club once. I was seven. We would have milk and cookies in my tree fort. We had a secret handshake and chased boys. - Fri, 28 May 2004 12:54am | ||
| *GKdc User Info... | Have you ever seen an ad for beer? A commercial maybe? Gone to an event with a beer garden? Maybe been to, say, a Canada Day celebration that was sponsored by Molson? Every day we are bombarded with images and slogans praising the consumption of alchohol and cigarettes. Every time I go for a walk I see something related to the buying, selling, or consumption of these products. It never stops. So you'll have to excuse me if I don't exactly feel bad that two nights out of a month you have to see a couple kids with x's on their hands. And as for flaunting it? Couldn't it be possible that they are just wearing it, and perhaps the "flaunting" is something your mind is concocting? I mean, I've been wearing x's for a long time now, and I've never once flaunted it. Not once. But am I proud of it? You bet. It took me a long time to get where I am today, and it certainly wouldn't have happened for me if I had kept doing the drink thing. I'm not straight-edge to be a part of my own little society, I'm straight-edge because I don't want to be a part of yours. ;) - Fri, 28 May 2004 2:15am | ||
| Jodi User Info... | Zing! - Fri, 28 May 2004 9:09am | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | So what if some people kick the air and others mosh.. Back in the 80's they'd flick their lighters to a ballad and bang their fists in the air, and guys wore girls pants. Times change, styles change, I say deal with it or go hang out at the Boom Boom Room. And Ive seen enough shows in town where there wouldnt have been any action in front of the band if not for a few of the hxc crowd gettin things going.. - Fri, 28 May 2004 9:44am | ||
| KnifeGhost User Info... | Word, GKdc..... I've never worn Xs (ok, once for fun), but I've never done any recreational drugs (I include alcohol and nicotine in that) except for the occasional bit of caffeine... I never had any exposure to the straight-edge movement in those formative years as an impressionable teenager, so i've never felt any connection to it.... But I certainly support people being stubborn enough to live their lives the way they want to without evangelizing...... - Fri, 28 May 2004 3:45pm | ||
| The One After Two User Info... | Please, lay off the recreational drugs and the Boom Boom Room. - Fri, 28 May 2004 4:34pm | ||
| muddy fawker User Info... | ML7Mike: Whatever happened to the meatlocker gathering at Merlins(speaking of the boom boom room) on buck a beer mondays? Wierd piece of history, huh? - Sat, 29 May 2004 1:02am | ||
| Troo_Kvlt User Info... | Ok, after last night hanging out with a couple of sXe kids I came to realize that I was just being an iggnorant dick. There is actually a reason behind the X's, and a lot fo them were genuinely cool kids. - Sat, 29 May 2004 3:26am | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | Muddy Fawker , and as you may have noticed I was NEVER there. I think I went to Merlins twice in my life, both times with some girl. :D Although Im sure a few of our guys worshipped $1 beer.. - Sat, 29 May 2004 4:27am | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | I think metal and hxc are in the same boat here, we all need to be friends. we need to fight against lame music...like Hot Hot Heat. - Sat, 29 May 2004 5:23am | ||
| Masturbating The War God User Info... | Fight the power - Sat, 29 May 2004 5:42am | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | But, even guys from HHH can be seen front row at some all ages hxc shows.. - Sat, 29 May 2004 6:19am | ||
| Brian VIHC User Info... | "i suppose i was just confused by the Xs thats pretty much surround a lot of Van Isle hardcore... xVxIxHxCx par example" Hey dude, check out the Van Isle Hardcore Resource Page - http://members.shaw.ca/vihc Not a single straightedge reference. The "X" in the middle of the "VIHC" logo is just classic hardcore. Like the old school "NYHC" symbol. That's all. And there are a ton of rad shows coming up this summer. I seriously doubt that anyone will be all '95 Salt Lake City militant edge up in anyone's face! It's all about rocking out and having a great time! - Sat, 29 May 2004 10:35am | ||
| x Buddy x User Info... | "I think metal and hxc are in the same boat here, we all need to be friends. we need to fight against lame music...like Hot Hot Heat" Why do we have to fight anything , whay can't we just like we like and respect that other people like something else ? Although I do agree we need to be friends and it seems like more and more we are , and thats awsome because the bottom line is that a lot of the hardcore kids like metal and a lot of the metal kids like hardcore . So that alone should be enough for us to get along . - Sat, 29 May 2004 4:03pm | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | "Why do we have to fight anything , whay can't we just like we like and respect that other people like something else ? Although I do agree we need to be friends and it seems like more and more we are , and thats awsome because the bottom line is that a lot of the hardcore kids like metal and a lot of the metal kids like hardcore . So that alone should be enough for us to get along " I get what your saying, but i just like to bash bands. Hot Hot Heat i think isnt THAT BAD and i dont think theyre that great. i just used it as an example, cuz you know EVERYONE bashes that band. i guess we need shitty music to distract idiots who latch on to fads like aids on americans. or something i dont know im drunk hail satan, - Sat, 29 May 2004 6:20pm | ||
| KnifeGhost User Info... | I hear Mitochondrion plays a troo fucking kvlt cover of Bandages.... - Sat, 29 May 2004 7:41pm | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | you damn right! ATTN: for the record Knife Ghost is not damn right, Mitochondrion only covers Turbonegro and Judas Priest . . . that is all - Mon, 31 May 2004 3:09pm | ||
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