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| The One After Two User Info... | Hey Guys, Wondering who does band posters in town? Cost? Print Cost? Distro? Effectiveness? is that word, it looks funny to me :) Who does the best job? Thank you. - Sat, 22 May 2004 12:19pm | ||
| Brand X Media User Info... | Well there are a lot of good designers. There's Anton who does some good work, you can see his stuff at http://www.antontrax.com There's Rolla at http://www.loftymedia.com/ and there's myself who has done a number of them which you can see at http://www.malcontent-media.com I know there's more out there, but not too sure if they have URLs or not. I'm not sure about pricing for most designers. I usually do them for $40 - $150 depending on if it's original artwork, colour, etc. As far as effectiveness It's probably one of the crucial forms of advertising for shows, especially for local bands that don't get press in the TC and Monday every time they play. - Sat, 22 May 2004 12:34pm | ||
| The One After Two User Info... | you're an allstar Thank you. - Sat, 22 May 2004 12:48pm | ||
| Metropol Steve User Info... | Steve from Metropol here. We design, print and distribute posters. Our current clients include Steamers, Lucky Bar, Atomique, High Tide, S.O.S., Logan's, Upstairs, Hugo's, GLP, Innergroove, Shortfuse, Mother's Cupboard, Jazzfest, and a buch on indy promoters and bands. We handle the design of Steamers, High Tide, and Lucky, as well as a ton of other clients. We have three designers on staff and we put up posters three times a day. We also offer instore postering services and UVIC and Camosun postering. If you'd like to see our work - check out the poles. Give us a call at 384-POLE and we can discuss rates, etc. - Sat, 22 May 2004 1:16pm | ||
| moron User Info... | . . .or as more commonly known, the poster mafia. Downtown is a waste of time unless you pay your protection fees. Best to stick to handbills and outside the downtown core. - Sun, 23 May 2004 6:40am | ||
| The One After Two User Info... | Thank you moron, that was what my question was sort of getting at... Vancouver was the same way, but in Steve's defence, I have heard good things from people who know him :) - Sun, 23 May 2004 9:24am | ||
| Metropol Steve User Info... | Hi Moron, Metropol spends an awful lot of time and energy making sure that other people's posters stay up when possible, provided they have postered responsibly. We sponsor a lot of events and often put up free posters for non-profit and all-ages events. Presently, we are providing free postering for the "Rockin' for the Kids" benefit show this weekend at the Archie Browning Centre. Last week we sponsored the Cancer Benefit show at the FCC. The week before, it was YoFest for the Womens Sexual Assault Centre at Centennial Square. I'd like to discuss this matter further with you - I was unaware that we are known as the "poster mafia". Who, exactly, refers to us in this way? I don't think it's our clients or the entertainment community in general. I'd like to talk this out. At your convenience, please call me at 384-POLE. Steve FYI - postering outside the core will get you (or the venue you are working out of) a big fat fine. We're working with the City on a solution to this. In the meantime, put up one poster per pole, cover one poster at a time, and we'll leave it up on the 12 large poles as long as humanly possible. If you doubt this statement, ask Jesse from Brand X or Dane form Enigmatica, both of whom have been successfully doing their own postering downtown for the last year. We support them completely. How Mafia is that!?! - Mon, 24 May 2004 7:54am | ||
| odb User Info... | I can't believr that Metropole doesn't know that they are reffered to as the poster mafia. Gimme a break. Anyway Metropole has been fair with me band's posters(Gashly Crumb). Its true, as long as you only put one poster on each pole they won't cover them up. But to the DIY, punk rock, fuck the system, don't let "the man" keep us down kind of bands you can see how they would be completely apalled that any band would ever pay for postering. Its an Idiology. Its one thing if you are playing at a bar, but if you are playing a little all-ages show at some whole in the wall that only 50 people are going to come to anyway why would you pay anything for postering. all you need is a felt pen and a photocopier, that's how we used to do it in the 80's. As for fines for postering in unofficial poster sites, BC Hydro will kick your ass for using their powerpoles as will BC transit for postering bus shelters. People downtown already know what shows are going on, the trick is to get people in Colwood and Gordonhead to come to your show The trick is to put posters in places where lots of people walk, not places where lots of cars drive by. You are way less likely to get caught if you keep the posters off the main streets. and put the posters up so they can be seen from the sidewalk but not from the street because the fat old dudes who are going to try and fine you never get out of thier trucks. The views expressed here represent my personal views, and do not reflect the views of the members of any musical group I play with. - Mon, 24 May 2004 10:38am | ||
| moron User Info... | "Who, exactly, refers to us in this way?" Howdy. In this case, I refer to you folks that way thought not necessarily as a derogatory term. It's more just a matter of fact. You folks functionally control the poles, much like the poster mafia in Vancouver (though they tend to be more aggressive from what I understand). Any single individual wanting to promote an event has no hope of competing with the likes of Steamers, Monty's, Lucky Bar and BAR Victoria. Especially Steamer's and Monty's who pretty much monopolize the poles downtown. The problem is twofold. 1st, the ridiculous poster bylaws and the city's stupid designated poles of which there are no where near enough nor enough room on each pole. A city without posters is a city without culture, a dead city. 2nd, you have commercial entities using the poles despite having other more traditional avenues open to them (TV, print, radio). Monty's budget is simply too big to compete with - any DIY type wanting to poster would have to be independently wealthy to compete for pole space. Since most of us actually work for a living, there's no point in even attempting to nail downtown poles unless you are dealing with the peeps that handle the stuff for Atomique and Montys. The latter issue is not as big of an issue though as the stupid poster bylaw which is selectively enforced to punish those who the City (those in power, not the general population) does not like. The problem only exists in the first place due to the stupid poster bylaw. A 3rd problem is that there are actually at least two or more crazies who have fixated on posters as part of their mental issues and who actively seek out posters to rip down. Fernwood is really bad that way (and yes, I have run into these people previously). =) - Mon, 24 May 2004 10:39am | ||
| odb User Info... | I agree totally, Why does a strip bar have the right to use poles to advertise? I think a business should pay to advertise in the traditional ways just like any other business. This is why we don't see ads for the bay and Walmart on poles. Original music is an artistic and cultural event, not a business venture. I have no problem seeing ads for concerts, art openings, plays, etc. on the poles. But why does a poster saying that Hugos has a beer special on thursdays appear on our poles. That is what our city poster bylaws should protect us against. - Mon, 24 May 2004 10:56am | ||
| The One After Two User Info... | I disagree, I believe the small businesses has every right to use the polls. Not every bar in town is Walmart. I know all you bands here are artists, but you are also little tiny businesses... your job is to sell beer for the bars...then concert tickets for the promoter... then CDs for HMV... and so on. You make money on your shows yet you get to use the polls, so really, ANYONE can use the polls. - Mon, 24 May 2004 4:09pm | ||
| moron User Info... | Although to a certain extent I agree with you on the pole issue (the postering ban caused the problem), I do have to say whoa on the other bit you are suggesting. All bands are NOT tiny businesses nor should music only be considered with dollars in mind. I find it kind of offensive you would make that assumption actually. I (like many others) do this because we are driven to, because we give a shit about art. Not everything is appropriate to view through the eyes of the Market. Music is one of those things that does better with as little commercial involvement as possible. The Market leads downwards to Nickelback. The CRIA style music industry is more akin to Monsanto than anything to do with art and culture. Cheers - Mon, 24 May 2004 4:31pm | ||
| lonemonk User Info... | The fact of the matter is that the city can decide whatever they want on the use of the poles as they are in charge of purchasing them and maintaining them. The fact that tax-payer money was used for those purposes means nothing in so far as our 'rights' to use the poles however we want. There in fact is no such right. Larger cities ALWAYS end up with postering bylaws, it was only a matter of time in Victoria. Just consider yourselves lucky that someone as decent as steve has at least some involvement in the process; He's still only looking out for his clients and the bar going public. If the city had it entirely their way (whether it is enforceable or not), they would probably ban postering all-together. Is the overall postering situation ideal? Of course not, even Metropol would be the first to admit that. The choice will forever more remain do you want no postering, or controlled and licensed postering. Take your pick. Anybody who really wants to change things aught to come up with some solid suggestions for victoria city council and then fight for them. Keep in mind however, since the city does not consider this type of postering to be at all profitable, they are unlikely to spend much money on new initiatives, unless of course the idea can be pitched to them in a way where they think they are saving money.... (Or a reduction in grief and hastle) - Tue, 25 May 2004 2:49am | ||
| Lucky Bar User Info... | Hey... Liam from Lucky here. I can't say that I feel much like Wal-Mart, and although Lucky is a commercial entity, I don't think we are trying to monopolize the poles and push out band posters. Our posters ARE band posters. We use Metropol because we have a shitload of shows (most of them local bands) and it's an easy way for us to share the poles, not take them over. The pole situation does suck, with the city only allocating a few poles in the downtown core for all us to share. Thing is, nobody can deny that it sucked A LOT more before Metropol. And yes, Metropol costs money, but so does printing posters. Before Metropol there was no agreement on sharing the poles, so coverage lasted about 30 minutes. That meant printing a SHITLOAD of posters. It probably balances out, if you do the math. Plus, now you've got time to promote outside downtown and do some flyering, rather than postering all day and night. Just my two cents. -L. - Tue, 25 May 2004 6:19pm | ||
| Chris Logan User Info... | Things are definitely better with Metropol, as Liam says. I remember when I used to poster myself and you'd literally have to go back as soon as you were 'finished' because some dickhead walking right behind you had completely covered the poles with 9 copies of one poster--pointless. That said, even if all the venues in town put up one poster for each event a week, you're going to run out of space pretty quickly. With that in mind, we decided to go with one weekly poster listing all our events, but now people complain they can't read the type. - Wed, 26 May 2004 2:41am | ||
| Japanese Air Force User Info... | People are always going to find something to complain about.... as this board so beautifully illustrates every single day. (: We used to print up to 1000 posters just for one week of advertizing downtown. Very expensive and wasteful. Metropol has helped us cut that cost down to almost half and we get way more exposure than we did before. I think it's fucking brilliant.... too bad there aren't more poles around town. ~JAF - Wed, 26 May 2004 3:46am | ||
| $TIM$ User Info... | Back in the day I used to poster for Legends. They paid me min wage for 6 hours a day to walk around downtown and make sure their posters were up. I would slaughter the poles with Legends stuff. At the time, my band was playing alot at the Limit, so I would leave their posters up, and the Steamers guy was alright, too, so we would share the poles when possible. Problem as I saw it then, and I see it now, is that the poles belong to everyone. If some restaurant wanted to advertise on them, they could. If Monday magazine wanted to tape their rags to them, they could. If I wanted to, I could start a company, maybe called "Poster Mafia", get a few car dealerships, some restaraunts, clothing stores, tatoo shops, to advertise with me and battle it out on the streets with Metropole. All it takes is paying a guy min wage to hang out downtown for the day, advertisements to the office types. Actually, it's quite a business opertunity in a virtually unregulated industry. - Wed, 26 May 2004 3:41pm | ||
| Metropol Steve User Info... | We constantly turn down contracts for sales, yoga studios, food specials and restaurant menus. There is a reason for this... Just imagine what would happen if the door was open for every business out there to poster. If you think doing battle with Metropol is bad, wait until you are up against the unlimited resources of a commercial marketing machine like Ford or Coke. Do you think they will leave your posters up? We only put up posters that are directly related to an event. This, as we understand it from the city, was the intended purpose of these poles. Sometimes this hurts us financially, but we always endeavor to mantain a fair representation of the events in this city. The City, incidentally, has been very supportive and spent a large portion of their budget on replacing 12 cylinders with new cylinders that were designed to hold more posters. They also maintain the poles and remove all the paper we put up, evey week. I understand you are just making a point, Tim, but it's a delicate balance out there. I do agree that our system is not flawless, but I truly believe the climate for postering is better. "Actually, it's quite a business opportunity in a virtually unregulated industry." The industry is regulated. It is regulated by the way the people who contribute to it choose to act. Thanks everyone for your support! Steve - Wed, 26 May 2004 5:29pm | ||
| malcolm SOS User Info... | Speaking from experience, postering in Victoria's downtown core is a million times better since Steve started Metropol. I cannot believe that there are people who were doing their own postering in Victoria before Metropol's inception who would suggest things were better back then before Steve began his company. Metropol is by no means anything like a "mafia". I am based in Vancouver now and believe me, over here there is a real "poster mafia" that charges over double what Metropol's rates are and do methodically make independent postering on "mafia" territory impossible. Victoria is lucky to have a guy like Steve and things would get a whole lot worse if Metropol ceased to exist. Now all Victoria needs are some places to legally poster outside of the downtown core. And a final note, I know exactly what it is like to try and do small shows on a tiny budget and that some of you are frustrated with how difficult that can be. But please try and direct your negativity towards the people who work against the music community in Victoria rather than towards the very people who work so hard everyday (ie. Metropol) to make sure that quality live music events (big and small) can take place. Malcolm-- SOS Productions - Wed, 26 May 2004 5:51pm | ||
| mikesaturday User Info... | a month or two ago i was out postering for my magazine's launch party and as i was putting a poster up the metropol dude was right there, and i think he could see the look of fear in my eyes. i told him my event was THAT NIGHT and he said that he'd go around it if i put one up and gave him room to do the rest, and i went back 20 minutes later and he kept his word. i still think it sucks that all ages type shows have to poster by hand and have their posters mauled by the bars, but the reality of it is, they're going to do it. they've always done it. the all ages "punk rock" or "hardcore" scene is built on these people charging us too much to put on our shows so that we have to rent weird halls and gyms. at least the metropol guy tries to not fuck you completely. the people from HUSH will poster all 9 spots on a pole with the same black and white poster. - Thu, 27 May 2004 5:07am | ||
| Chris Logan User Info... | "the all ages "punk rock" or "hardcore" scene is built on these people charging us too much to put on our shows so that we have to rent weird halls and gyms." Slightly off-topic here, but we only charge for a sound guy and doorperson--and we like punk rock. We can't do all-ages, though, unless we suspend our licence for a full 24 hours. That's how it works in BC. - Thu, 27 May 2004 6:02am | ||
| Brand X Jesse User Info... | I think postering is effective but poles aren't the only places you can put them. windows are good. once the poster is up it's not coming down until the show is happening. I think a lot of people ahve become pretty decensitised to the poles. I think the next frontier is 'gig coasters'. It's pretty untapped as far as marketing goes except for brewerys and a couople of venues like Hugo's advertising weekly events. It's pretty cheap and considering most people spend about 15 seconds at a street corner - but stay for hours at a table in a bar staring at anything in front of them - Why Not? - Thu, 27 May 2004 9:20am | ||
| The One After Two User Info... | Oi, Malcolm is learning about the Vancouver Poster Mafia. It can be tricky in Vancouver... the other problem there is the size of the city... When my old band did shows we tried to poster the colleges... lots of work and far apart, but there was lots of space and demographic of people who might actually drop $5 on some indie rock. Georgia straight was a great place to advertise your show as EVERYONE checked it for shows, and Nerve has cheap rates if you want to advertise a month in advance or your new record or website. moron, I know you are an artist, I was meaning, more of the bands that actually try to get people to their shows and listen to their CDs. Shit, I am artist too, at home, by myself now. - Thu, 27 May 2004 2:15pm | ||
| Jon BTJ User Info... | just a question.. cuz Im not really knowledgable about this.. but who exactly gets the fine for postering on poles? If they are used to promote a band, show, bike for sale etc? Is it only if you get caught putting them up, or will they poster police wage a full scale investigation as to the members of such and such band, organizers of show etc, hunt you down and take your pinky? - Thu, 27 May 2004 2:24pm | ||
| odb User Info... | Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to hack Metropole, or Lucky, or Logans. In fact I'm playing at Lucky on tuesday night and I played I've been playing at Logans since they had pictures of sports teams on the walls. I meant more that it is sad for the kids starting their first bands plaing in "wierd halls" etc. like someone mentioned earlier. When I was 15 I was in my first punk band and we played our first gig in my parents garage and 10 people showed up. We also played in school gyms, peoples back yards, etc. and we didn't have enough money to use a photocopier so we made each poster by hand with a jiffy marker and pasted on picture we cut out of magazine for our poster art. At that time I couldn't have imagined that people actually paid to have posters designed or distributed and I hope that these kind of bands still get thier posters out and thier music heard bylaw or no bylaw. - Thu, 27 May 2004 3:01pm | ||
| Chris Logan User Info... | "but who exactly gets the fine for postering on poles?" The venue gets the fine. "and we didn't have enough money to use a photocopier so we made each poster by hand with a jiffy marker and pasted on picture we cut out of magazine for our poster art." Those are still the coolest looking posters IMO. Now that everyone does their posters on computers, they tend to look a little sterile. - Fri, 28 May 2004 4:12am | ||
| crybaby User Info... | I was out yesterday puting up my homemade letter sized posters, I made them smaller in the hopes that the fucking 'professional' poster people would have a bit of mercy on me, "oh look at that little one, it's small, I don't need to cover that one up, it's not taking up that much space" but no, they have no shame. There was a guy puting up the same two posters all over the place. He was covering the entire circumfrence of the poles twice over, essentially blanketing them. This is total bullshit, it's not fair to everyone else and I don't care how much you people defend what you're doing and your trying to be fair, it's a fucking lie. Ask anyone in this town who's tried to promote something themselves, it's impossible. - Sat, 29 May 2004 6:15am | ||
| LivevicScott User Info... | I'm gonna agree with Malcolm, Lucky, Logans et al that its easier since (almost) all the postering contracts are under one person now. I used to poster for The Cambie (back when they did punk rock) Legends, Sugar, and occasionally other bars and events as well as all my own shows. I would go out once or twice a day and coverage was never that good. Now I can print half (or less) of the posters I used to and get better coverage without lifting a finger for the same price and useing less paper. Its a solid deal. Also the fact that Monday will take submissions to their music calendar for free is awsome, they cost money in many other bigger cities. After being away from Victoria for the past month and a half I REALLY REALLY like it here, you don't know how good we have it untill you leave. - Sat, 29 May 2004 6:53am | ||
| lonemonk User Info... | While I'm inclined to sympathize with you crybaby, its rather regrettable that your name is so appropriate. - Sat, 29 May 2004 7:47am | ||
| Japanese Air Force User Info... | And besides, crybaby... that wasn't Metropol... that was the Hush guy. The same 2 or 3 posters covering the whole pole. ~JAF - Sat, 29 May 2004 5:57pm | ||
| crybaby User Info... | The point I'd like to make is that it's bullshit that the only way you can hope to have any success postering in this town is if you PAY someone to do it for you, this totally goes against what I and alot of people believe in and it's unfair to the people who don't have the same budgets as the clubs to promote their events. It's like I'm being punished for trying to do something myself. And as I said before, I am only one of MANY people who feel this way. - Mon, 31 May 2004 2:02am | ||
| Metropol Steve User Info... | Hi crybaby, Like I mentioned before, both Enigmatica Entertainment and Brand X Media have been successfull with doing their own postering for the past year. We just keep the communications lines open and respect each others space. If you want tips on how to poster yourself, contact them. I'm sure they'd be more than willing to help. Otherwise, give Metropol a try. I think you'll find that we charge a modest amount for a reasonable service. In the past we've worked deals where band members do poster runs for us in exhange for free postering throughout the week. If you feel that strongly about paying someone to do your postering, give us a call and we'll work it out. Steve - Mon, 31 May 2004 5:10am | ||
| odb User Info... | a few post ago Mr. Logan mentioned how boring and stagnant posters have gotten since everyone started making them on computers. Well I couldn't agree more, you've seen one poster you've seen em all. I did want to mention that I love the posters for the Destroyer show at Lucky. It really stands out amongst the see of bad posters out there. My hat is off to whoever designed that one. But the thing that really bugs me is how come live bands always have crappy black & white posters and Techno DJs always have full colour posters, those postcard sized hand bills colour, printed both sides and coasters with thier name on it. Bands get no promotion compared to techno. - Mon, 31 May 2004 5:49am | ||
| KnifeGhost User Info... | Yeah, Crybaby, the problem you had (the Hush guy) it a remnant of the problem everybody had before Metropol existed..... Imagine trying to get your poster up if _everyone_ postered like that, and you didn't have anyone you could pay to keep your posters up...... About all-ages shows trying to compete with bars, Metropol used to offer free postering for all-ages shows (under certain conditions)...... Is that still going? - Mon, 31 May 2004 6:03am | ||
| Metropol Steve User Info... | Yes. We can often work something out. FYI when we've done free all-ages postering in the past, Lucky Bar has often covered the duplication costs. And we've both contributed to free postering for this website. Steve - Mon, 31 May 2004 6:18am | ||
| Livevic Scott User Info... | Yeah I forgot to mention that... Lucky and Metropole kicked in free postering for Livevictoria.com since we're pretty much non profit! and steve's done some free postering for a few of the AA shows i've put on in the past, and even when he can't do it free he usually tries to cut some kind of deal for the AA events knowing the budgets they're on and what they do for the under age music community - Mon, 31 May 2004 7:13am | ||
| brentc User Info... | In reply to the Hush comments...Hush does a limited run...3.5 streets only, twice a day, and only 4 days a week. I saw crybaby peeling my clubs posters off, and smiled at her, it nevre bothered me and in fact, I thought oops...I will tell the poster guy to leave hers up...we try not to cover up benifits and cause based posters...but sometimes the poster people get into a routine and don't really look...it is a competitive business...even with dj's vs live bands...but the reality is..dj's charge 3 grand USD...and so advertising becomes way more important...if anyone wants to make sure we don't cover up your posters for a cause or benifit..call me at Hush 385-0566, but if it is just a competing night...face reality...we are all in a business situation...even Steve from Metropole...he is a sweet guy, and has the right idea...but even he can't answer the ultimate question...if the more customers you get, then the less coverage you get...why is it a feasable choice...he makes money putting up posters...I make money from posters being put up...and we never put up 9 of the same poster on the same pole as was stated here...I do a monthly, and my 2 biggest shows...but if anyone wants to be added to my mnonthly...give me the info and the club..I will add you for free...it's not a problem, the more info out the better for our scene... respect brent - Mon, 31 May 2004 11:49am | ||
| Metropol Steve User Info... | For those that didn't catch it - the last post was from Brent at Hush. Perhaps you've seen one of their poles. They're the ones all with entire rows of the same poster. Their "3.5 streets" cover the six most important corners in the city and the four days they go out are the four most important days. When Hush posters, they cover every single poster, every single time. Currently, Metropol posters for almost every independent promoter working out of Hush; but even their posters are routinely covered by the Hush postering, even on the night of their events. Hush's reason for this? They claim they are busier on their house-promoted nights and the reason is their postering. I also think it's important to point out that Hush is the only venue, bar or promoter to continue to put up more than one poster per pole. A little history: A meeting was called last February to deal with the poster issue. It started as a post on this site, in fact. Everyone who uses the poles was invited to try to come up with a solution to the postering problem. The purpose was to try to find a way to reduce waste, increase visibility, and come up with a plan to share the space. We met at Thursday's (now Logan's) and it was well attended. Every major venue and promoter had a reprentative there, with the exception of Hush. At this meeting, we all unanimously agreed to put up one poster, per pole. For the last 16 months, we have all put up (often less than) one poster per pole. That is, everyone except Hush. By our calculations, Metropol has halved the amount of paper that we use out there. We designed the bigger cylinders that the city installed last summer and continue to lobby for better poster conditions. While Brent and I are friends, and I do appreciate his comments - I think it's important for all of us to let them know that their style of postering is not acceptable. They do have a right to poster like the rest of us, but they do not have the right to cover entire poles with three different posters. Even if it is only twice a day, four days a week. We don't even do that, and we are currently advertising upwards of 50 events at a time. Steve - Mon, 31 May 2004 2:10pm | ||
| Brian VIHC User Info... | As always, Steve is completely even-handed and reasonable. If you can afford Metropol, I strongly recommend going with them. In the past year I've been putting on shows and promoting them myself and attendance has always been good and we've broken even every time with the exception of one show, and that was with four touring bands on the same bill. I only ever poster with one poster per event per pole, it's just basic respect for other shows and promoters. Running into them it's easy to come to a compromise and say "I won't cover your posters if you don't cover mine". A couple years ago they were all merciless like the Hush guys. - Mon, 31 May 2004 3:01pm | ||
| brentc User Info... | I agree...if you can afford it fo with metropol...as I said, I agree with him morally, and he is a smart guy...good business push...bit there are more posters in on the route that our not mine...my poster boy takes other contracts also....if I had my way...we would all do 1 poster, of all our nights, and leave them on the poster poles for true coverage...that to me would be fair...but if there are 50 contracts and 9 per pole...then there is still no coverage...but I voluteer to make up the poster for all of us...once a week...and have everyones info on the poles for the whole week....I wll do the posters and change and update them if you guys want...you will only have to pay for copying costs once aweek....because if everyone is on there...it won't be covered...and no one will have to pay for making posters...metropole or me...with about 27 posters...that cost and paper savings is worth it...what about it steve...push for that truly fair path, and I will do it...then we can work together for something fair... brent - Tue, 1 Jun 2004 3:27pm | ||
| Brand X Media User Info... | Well I've watched this post grow into a monster - so I'll put in my two cents. 1. Hush is obnoxious with their postering. I have nothing against the venue itself, I prefer live music but that's a moot point. If any band did that, they would get blacklisted pretty quickly along with the venue they were associated with. 2. I think that postering IS a competitive market - so save some time: Instead of covering the whole pole with the same damn poster - Get a well designed poster made and make that one poster radiate - it saves paper gets a crowd and doesn't piss people off. 3. I’ll say on Steve’s behalf – He is respectable of other people’s posters – as a (pseudo) promoter with Brand X, and also work with the Ska Festival – The posters sometimes last a whole day! In any other city that would be unprecedented. 4. Once In a while I’ll ask Steve to do a bit of postering for me, and because Brand X is a non-profit project he’ll ask for nothing more than a logo in the bottom corner, and banner placement on the site. Most of the time I poster myself for the simple fact that I like to get out of the house and AWAY FROM THIS MACHINE! 6. Hush is obnoxious with their postering. Just in case you haven't noticed (ref. p. 1) Jesse Ladret http://www.brandxmedia.ca http://www.malcontent-media.com http://www.victoriaskafest.ca - Tue, 1 Jun 2004 5:09pm | ||
| Metropol Steve User Info... | Thanks Brian and Jesse. And thank you Brent. I do appreciate your offer to help out the scene. It is, of course, 16 months late (see previous post). Metropol works. If you read through these posts, many of your peers agree that the climate for postering is better since we started. In regards to the Hush postering: I'm asking you please, Brent, on behalf of all of Metropol's clients and Victoria's entertainment community - please stop postering like you are the only club in town. Respect our space. One poster, per event, per pole. That is all we have ever asked. Steve - Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:47pm | ||
| Brand X Jesse User Info... | BTW: As far as the comments about handmade posters - I agree that they have a quality that can not be surpassed by a one night stand with a computer. I wish I had more time on my hands to dig into the natural mediums, but unfortunatly if I was to hand draw/paint every poster I'd have no pigmentation and hygene would be a lost luxury. The last poster I did that I was truly proud of was the Brand X Art/fundraiser poster that was transferred from an acyrlic on canvas. Sure the typography is digital but I have enough trouble with typos as is. (PS: Thanks to Logan's for putting it up in the bar) - Wed, 2 Jun 2004 2:25am | ||
| Demen Ted User Info... | Hmmm... Out here in langford, I always see posters... Right now there are billions of Kingpins posters out, and DIY had a few million for there last show, and I have been seeing posters constantly for the last few years... Right down Goldstream, just take a walk, every second pole. Just curious to how this worked out for you guys whove posted out here... Dan Conner - Wed, 2 Jun 2004 2:28am | ||
| Japanese Air Force User Info... | In regard to the colour Destroyer posters.... can anyone offer some insight as to where those got printed and how much they cost? I do a fair amount of poster design for my bands and often design around colour, but for anyone who has tried printing colour posters in town, you know it's expensive. The best price I can usually get is $1-$1.50 a poster, so I only do 10 to 20 for in stores and windows. If anyone can shed some light on the origin of the Destroyer posters, or even some suggestions on places that would print something like that in bulk and not charge your left nad (or whichever gential is appropriate for you). Thanks! ~JAF - Wed, 2 Jun 2004 3:11am | ||
| Brand X Jesse User Info... | Silk Screen. It's an underated medium, and gets people's attention a lot easier than professional printing. - Wed, 2 Jun 2004 3:42am | ||
| lucky bar User Info... | The Destroyer poster was made by a woman in Vancouver. Malcolm from SOS knows how to get in touch with her. Her prices are reasonable but she will only to posters for shows that she wants to. Getting color copies made is expensive as well. It is an awesome poster. Ben. - Wed, 2 Jun 2004 4:06am | ||
| brentc User Info... | OK will do...and it is not 15 months too late...it is never to late 1 poster per event per pole...that is acceptable to me...but that still doesn't meant I will be doing metropole...I still think it is a monopoly, and without comp, it wouldn't be healthy..and now I can start doing the areas I agreed not to do...and the times I have willingly backed off from for steve's sake...that he doesn't even admit that I do... one thing that steve and I have in common, is that we want the victoria scene to prosper...we don't hate each other, we just see things differnetly...he is an owner..I am just a manager..so I have someone to answer to... brent brent - Wed, 2 Jun 2004 9:29am | ||
| Brand X Jesse User Info... | It's all down hill from here. - Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:16am | ||
| brentc User Info... | No I really meant it...I am going to honestly give it a try....I just reread my post and it seems sarcastic...but it is not...I will watch my sales figures while I do this...and if they doesn't change I will keep it... As I said I like steve and his idea is morally better then mine...so now I will see if morals are finacially feaasable (sarcasam is intended here)...I hope he is right...it will save me money in posters...but they will still be through my poster boy...I can't fire someone over this issue...but I will change the way it is done and see if it is commercially feasable...I am not out to fuck with anyone's rights...it is just straight up advertising to me...so if the effect doesn't change...then no loss to me brent ps...I am not posting anonamusly...I just don't know how to put my name in that spot... - Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:51pm | ||
| Metropol Steve User Info... | Thanks Brent. We all appreciate it. I realize this is a huge leap of faith for you. Incidentally, if you ever do decide to use Metropol, I will hire your poster boy. Steve - Wed, 2 Jun 2004 3:27pm | ||
| Chris Logan User Info... | "Poster boy"... That sounds so smutty. - Thu, 3 Jun 2004 6:20am | ||
| Japanese Air Force User Info... | Sounds slightly less smutty than "Pole Jockey". (: ~JAF - Thu, 3 Jun 2004 6:21am | ||
| ENIGMATICA ENTERTAINMENT User Info... | When the idea of one poster per pole was introduced we were quite weary of it. I remember saying, "Who will take the plunge while this experiment is in place!" Ha!:) I think we had good reason to question the method since the old school way was three per pole per event. And it's true that a loss on one big show can cause one or more people to lose all of their savings depending on the stakes. Well, we are delighted to say that putting up one poster per pole works just fine!:) And we're stoked on that because it saves trees!! Yes! Before Steve fought to have one poster per pole (which wasn't easy to do with even the people that are cool with the system now including us:) we used to put out anywhere from 1000 - 1500 black and white posters per show. Now put out a lot less (probably about 50% less) thanks to "being encouraged" to put up one per pole. Now we have extra money to use on colour posters in stores. The reasoning behind the three poster per pole thing back in the day was that was that the poster was visible from all angles. But the truth is people weren't necessarily going to come to the event because the poster was up in three different spots on the pole as opposed to one. I think people are more receptive to looking at the poles for event information because they are generally well kept and there are different event options for them. So we spend differently (in many cases less), waste less and still get good results. That's what we want. Peace - Thu, 3 Jun 2004 9:46am | ||
| Ryan User Info... | Hey steve. Im going to let you know now, I wont ever work for you. I do not agree with monopoilies, or how you feel you are the only one to use the poles. I have tried to work with you several times, Trying to get times where we go out to get the best coverage in rotation, and after agreeing, you stoppped the next day. You are all very quick to bitch at hush for covering your posters, and as a club promoter i get just as annoyed with you covering mine too, BUT its just that, I do it to you, and you do it back. Im sorry you all hate me before you even know who i am, but i am the poster boy for hush and believe it or not i am just doing my job. And it is just that, my job. It puts food on my table and a house over my head, and if it means i have to step on some toes im willing to do it. Im sorry steve has to try and act as if hush has never tried to meet halfway, and i couldnt count how many times brent has told me to change my times and my dates to work around steve so we all get coverage. Or how many times steve and i have talked about working it out, coming to a semi agreement and then steve saying it wasnt good enough for him. Both systems work for their own reasons, and i think it's very rude and unfair of you steve to act as if you have nothing but positive involvement in the poster war. Take the chip off your shoulder, your just as bad as me man. - Fri, 4 Jun 2004 6:07am | ||
| odb User Info... | Dude if you are tired of the poster wars quit. There are plenty of places looking for dishwashers and they probably have better benefits plans than Hush. - Fri, 4 Jun 2004 8:01am | ||
| Ryan User Info... | Im not tired of my job, I rather enjoy the job. And i think that is a pretty ignorant comment to make when you dont know what i make, or anything like that. - Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:43pm | ||
| The One After Two User Info... | has anyone even stopped to think about the children? - Fri, 4 Jun 2004 3:34pm | ||
| Metropol Steve User Info... | First off, I'd like to point out how disappointed I am that Brent made a commitment on this board to put up one poster, per event, per pole; and today Hush covered entire poles like they have always been doing. It reminds me of the time that he promised to change the way he postered if I convinced the city to install larger cylinders (that never happened either). I'm doubly disappointed that they covered entire poles with Whitebird's event tonight (which we hold the contract for and they are putting up without the knowledge of the promoter), their "Upcoming Events" poster (on which over half of the events have already happened) and a poster for Saturdays @ Hush w/ Brent Charmichael (Brent has been playing Saturdays at Hush for about a decade). First off, we are not a monopoly. Read the posts again. Both Jesse and Dane have posted in support of Metropol, and they both do their own postering. Secondly, both Ryan and Brent refer to me as if it's my posters that Metropol puts up. I want to point out that Metropol puts up posters for other people - I do not do events. Therefore, you making a decision to work "around Steve" is actually you recognizing the other 50 events that are happening above and beyond the 3 that you are advertising (including those that we didn't put up). We are "all very quick to bitch at Hush" because HUSH IS THE ONLY BAR THAT CONTINUES TO PUT UP MORE THAN ONE POSTER, PER EVENT, PER POLE. That is the issue folks. I'm not sure why you guys can't figure that out. There is no poster war anymore. What we have is a poster company (us) that works in tandem with everyone else (see posts). Together, our efforts are constantly thwarted by one club who continues to poster like there are no other events in town and paper is inexhaustible (that's you, Hush). I'm sorry we have not been able to reach an agreement, but in all fairness I cannot agree to give you space to put up more than one poster, per event, per pole. It goes against everything we have worked for. I can see now that an agreement is not possible. The City has discussed legislation for postering. Until now, we have been steadfastly opposed to it, as it does not allow independents to have representation on public space. But our resouces are running thin and our clients need to be represented. We cannot continue to have poster boys/girls walking around, waiting for Hush to annihilate the poles so we can fix them. If Hush continues to poster in the manner that they do, we have no choice but to push for poster licensing. You can thank them. Steve P.S. We would obviously like to avoid this. Can anyone come up with a solution to the Hush issue? - Fri, 4 Jun 2004 4:31pm | ||
| lol User Info... | Make postering poles illegal....just get rid of them all.... and just pass out hand flyers. - Fri, 4 Jun 2004 5:34pm | ||
| moron User Info... | Well. . . Boycott them. Don't drink there and encourage others not to. If you are a DJ refuse spinning anything there. If you are aware of any bylaw issues to do with them (garbage for example), complain to the city about it. If they have this attitude about culture in the city then presumably they have similar attitudes about other aspects of their business. Cheers - Fri, 4 Jun 2004 5:46pm | ||
| brentc User Info... | No it is not deciet and I don't appreciate you thinking that...we had still blk posters to get rid of....and it will take me a few days to get rid of them and remake the new ones that have more infor on them...I am not screwing with anyone I have spent the last 2 days remaking my whole posters...but I am not going to throw away the ones that I still have for close events...just wait it is coming....and your dissappoint and doubt in me won't change that....throwing away 500 posters is not going to happen....and i I leave them to one a day that is what will happen...but it will only take til probably tommorrow or the next day...and today's posters were only 2 deep...there were 2 other contracts that got Ryan to put them up today also, I never had anything to do with that...and John from whitebird has postered this way before...this one was for a tonight event, and they wanted the coverage they didn't think they get from steve..they always use steve for the long term and ryan for the day of...I only had 2 up...my up and coming and my saturday... And if you remeember...the other deciet you so easily accuse me of...came with an exchage of ideas...which you never did....so I never did mine...ryan did it for a while, but I never once agreed to doing a poster a pole an event...we were exchangin space on poles so we would always leave some on each pole for each other 1 on one side and 2 on the other....so that at least the closest events that were going to kept on the top, were always seen no matter whose they were....and we were going to balance our times so we each got good times and bad times...but it never showed up...so I dropped the idea...it is not as evil and conniving as is being suggested..I used to do my posters steves way...and people were alsys saying I didn't know that show happened...so I swittiched..then I said if Steve could think of a solution that worked better then his...which I don't believe works..band nights are busy because of their friends and word of mouth...that is hw that scene works...dj world is not that way...they are all about the hype from outside...but I said if he could think of a way that I hadn't tried I would try it...I have tried that way, and it didn't work...and what I said about the poles was if they came big enough for 4 per row on a pole I would only do 2 on eachleaving 3 for each of us on each pole..but the city made the poles a little bigger, but not enough to put 4 a row, and 2 big to go landscape and pu 4 up and down...so nothing had changed again...if people aren't looking specifically for something...their is only 3 spots to catch them...depending on which direction they are walking...and theree are always 3 that are usless...the ones facing the cars...and not the crosswalk or the walk lights and if they are not looking you have to catch them in about 2 seconds...cause that is as long as it will take them to pass the pole...I have thought long and hard about this, and did my own market research over this long before steve was involved...as I said as my posters get used up...the singles will begin appearing...and I personally don't care if legislation comes in or not...I do posters for 2 clubs...and usually have about 30-35 confirmed events...it is easy for me to do one event per pole...but for christ sakes someone out there has to have a better idea then this...I don't think mine is great...but at least it works....but if I went with steve...he would then have about 65 peeps...how much coverage will that be...1 pole per 10 more if I pay more...if the city would have put up the proper sized poles the original agreement would have solved that...and by the way...bigger cities have legislation for poles but not anywhere else... And Steve stop making this into a personal fight but telling half truths...when these are business decisions we are arguing about...and you know that I really believe your method doesn't work, and would love to find a better one... brent - Fri, 4 Jun 2004 5:46pm | ||
| lol User Info... | Holy shit guys! You all are sure getting all worked up over stupid fucking posters. Take a minute, sit back and reflect on the big picture....where to put your dick next? - Fri, 4 Jun 2004 6:00pm | ||
| brentc User Info... | baa haa haa...good idea...i wasn't worked up at first..but you are right, I did just get that way... brent - Fri, 4 Jun 2004 6:18pm | ||
| Chris Logan User Info... | "when these are business decisions we are arguing about...and you know that I really believe your method doesn't work" Well, it's obvious that Hush's method doesn't work. It's like beer price wars--everybody loses. Oh, wait, the beer drinkers don't lose. Maybe I shoulda kept my mouth shut. - Fri, 4 Jun 2004 7:22pm | ||
| odb User Info... | Now I think another big question is how far in advance should you poster? I know I've gone to put up posters for an event that is 2 days away and the poles are filled with posters of events that are 2 weeks away. Maybe if posters weren't put up so far in advance there would be more room for everyone's posters. When you guys sat down and had your 1 poster per pole meeting was there any discussion about this? - Sat, 5 Jun 2004 8:31am | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | I just want one of those HUGE Lucky posters I always see there (the BC/DC one would of been awesome :) - Sat, 5 Jun 2004 2:19pm | ||
| Metropol Steve User Info... | Hi Griphin, I can get you one of those. Give me a call. Incidentally, if anyone wants one of the Destroyer posters I held a few for the collectors. And whilst on the topic, Metropol has archived all the posters we've put up over the last 14 months. If anyone is looking for a specific poster, we can more than likely get you one. We're in the process of putting together a huge online database. We'll keep you postered. er, posted. Steve 384-POLE - Sat, 5 Jun 2004 2:52pm | ||
| lonemonk User Info... | Can you imagine a city were nobody can agree on this topic, and the bureauracy decides to hire a small army of unemployed people to remove ALL posters every morning @ 5:00am? Good luck advertising under those conditions, Hush. You'll need way more than 500 throw-away posters under those circumstances... - Sat, 5 Jun 2004 3:53pm | ||
| brentc User Info... | give it a rest....forget it..this not worth my time...save the trees...promote your own live music worlds.... brentI do 15 pole of about 45...not on the premium times...I will still do what I am said I was going to...but on y own terms and the 5 people here never come to my club anyway...we don't play or like live music...it is archived in the past...I will not be back on here again so reply all you want...you have not the ability to understand anything beyond rock vs dj's...hush vs something else it has been that way since I started herre at rumors...and will always be that way... but remember..all the dj nights in town have not worked..and even the promtions that metropol do in the city haven't been able to save them...it only works for rock and live music..and the ones who use metropol still all make sure they are on my monthly...and if they are not they are mad...you will still get your wish...but not my respect...you are a bitter and angry group...and the funny thing is...that is what i dislike the most about rock...they don't know how to be happy..and you won't even be able to argue this...since this will be my last post...get over it...it is just posters and promotion...my little bit of the poster world is not the prime time...3 and 9..I would rather have noon and 6 when people are getting off work and plan their nights..but i did that for metropol..I would rather have around the offices...so the local workers can plan their nights...rather then the tourist areas when I don't even know if they are there for the night..I did that for metropol...see ya around.. I will do as close to a poster a pole an event for as much as I possibly can unless I see it disturb my profits...and I will not increase my route, that I promised metropol in the begginig..but I will go back to the world that spends more time talking about something more valubale then posters that no one has proved even work... especially the 4 of you... respect brent - Sat, 5 Jun 2004 5:38pm | ||
| Chris Logan User Info... | What a grouch. - Sat, 5 Jun 2004 9:28pm | ||
| odb User Info... | Why can't everybody get along??? Anyway this discussion started because a young chap wanted to know who does posters in this town and how to get more people to his band's shows, now its devolved into rants about who's not going to be able to pay thier bills because of postering rules. Enough already. What I'd like to see is somepeople getting together to lobby the local city governments to put in more "official" postering spots. I hove seen some big round poster poles(2 or 3 feet wide)in fernood village area, and on fort near Christies pub. These are a great community resource. In my home town of Nanaimo the city put in similat poster kiosks in the downtown core and they worked quite well. The hole tripple the number of posters as the small lamppost ones do. Unfortunatly they are way too big to fit on most sidewalks but they would be great in places like market square, and in parks or at transit exchanges. I am a student at camosun college and I know that if we had one of these next to the bus stop hundreds of people would see it every day. It is dificult because we have to deal with Victoria, OakBay, Sannich and Esquimalt city halls, instead of just one. but thee are lots of places outside of victoria city limits that would be prime postering spots. Anyplace that has a couple of apartmnet buildings with cheap rent is a haven for students, and students go to shows. So lets forget about the 9 downtown poles and think about new ideas to advertise our shows. - Sun, 6 Jun 2004 8:09am | ||
| Brand X Jesse User Info... | Gentlemen, Cheers...To Professionalism! *Klink* - Sun, 6 Jun 2004 8:58am | ||
| lonemonk User Info... | Well, I suppose we can be pricks on this board sometimes, but on this thread mostly there was a genuine wish to see a bunch of new ideas. If promoting acts via postering can be made better for everyone then I don't think anyone here would be pissing on that idea; Some may even take it up with the city if it made enough sense. The only conclusion I can draw is that there are some people who can't stand the fact that there are bylaws in place and that Metropol was smart enough to talk with the city about and come up with Plan B. My only contribution was to remind people that they better get on-board with it, like it or not. A free-for-all is no longer viable for any concerned parties. Perhaps there is one already, but I suggest a discussion group whereby venues, bands, postering people get together (physically) and pitch new innovations, then develop a plan to consult the city about whatever comes of it. Or perhaps such a thing would get too badly bogged down, Ya'll would know better how successful that would be. The general consensus was that postering was better than it had been in the past, so what better starting point is there? - Mon, 7 Jun 2004 8:33am | ||
| Brand X Jesse User Info... | I'll bring some freshly printed Gig Coasters. - Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:40am | ||
| Colin Sick User Info... | I would like to thank METROPOL. I havent put on shows in awhile but have started up again. I remember in high school spending countless hours in the downtown core postering. This was my route - start at mcdonalds and get a big coke, go around to all the poles and end up back at mcdonalds where I would get my free refill, then do the same thing 3 or four times. Now I have a full time job and doing that would be a pain in the ass. Now I pay $18 at monks to get 200 posters on 11x17 and Steve picks them up and puts the up for FREE because he likes to support the ALL AGES scene. When I put a drum clinic on I also hired him, it only cost me another $15. I guarantee I would have had to spend at least another $18 in posters to keep up with HUSH, and take time off work! Anyone who has a problem with this has to see the flip side, this is an experiment in socialism, nobody's show gets more than the next guy. If we all pitch in it works! Next time you see a pole covered with the same lousy poster check if it says metropole, I guarantee it doesnt. - Mon, 7 Jun 2004 1:14pm | ||
| Wayne User Info... | I've said a couple times in the past bring your posters to my store: FRONT ROW VIDEO (Across from the Roxy Theater.) 2646-A Quadra st. V8T 4E4 (mail it to me if that�s easier for you, it would only cost you .50 cents) only very few of you have taken me up on your offer of 24 hour a day sidewalk exposure. I've watched the guy who owns the Caribbean cafe tear down posters minutes after they were put up. I was going to grab a Bronze poster when they put them up, but before i had a chance they were all torn down. I have a large window and i also use my door to post posters on the inside (weather free) I would like nothing more than to be known a local business that�s supports the local music scene. Plus i think it would eventually catch on and people who lived in the neighborhood would get to know it�s the place to check for upcoming shows. Many young people, uvic, camosun, skaters, etc. live in the neighbor hood.(formerly know as the Quadra Ghetto, Now Quadra Village) Plus just to plug my business, for any own that reads this post i'll give 10% off all rolling papers and �paraphernalia� you know what I�m talking about. Not just a video store�. In fact hardly even a video store. Wayne Radiant Leader P.S. bring me a xxl band shirt, hat, or stickers and I will buy it off you. - Mon, 7 Jun 2004 1:49pm | ||
| Metropol Steve User Info... | Hi Everyone- I'm at then end of my rope now. On this thread, Brent from Hush promised to go to one poster per pole EIGHT DAYS AGO. Seven days ago, I posted to let everybody know that they hadn't followed through and Brent posted back saying they had to use up their posters first. Why, according to them, would they throw out outdated posters when they could use them to cover up everyone else's posters? Hush is, afterall, the only club it town. Two days ago, they were still postering like children and I went down to see Brent. He claimed that the one per pole was starting that evening. Today, they've covered the entire pole, again. Here's the icing on the cake. The events both tonight and tomorrow night at Hush are postered exclusively by Metropol. They've covered all the posters for the next two nights IN THEIR OWN CLUB with redundant posters. Does this make sense to anybody? What is wrong with these people? I could sure use some help with this one. Suggestions? I'm thinking of just removing their posters, but that's opening up a whole new can of worms... Steve - Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:10am | ||
| Bill User Info... | As an employee of Metropol and a supporter of the local music scene I am getting more and more frustrated by the day with this situation. I do not understand why Hush does not see the benifits of following the rules that every other bar and promoter in town has agreed to. Hush is wasting their paper, time and money by plastering the poles with their posters. For example, the other day I went out and did my poster run. Just as I was finishing I saw Hush covering up all my hard work. Our clients expect to see their posters on the poles so I had to load up my bag with more posters/tape and go back out again to fix the poles. I estimate that Hush's posters were on the poles no longer than 20 minutes that day. If they followed the rules it would have been up all day. In the end Hush's poster boy and I both wasted a good amount of time which we shouldn't have to do. Why can't they see that one poster per pole works? There are many promoters and bars who have already stated that it works for them. I and the rest of the employees of Metropol always check the large poles before we poster to make sure we do not cover up someone else's poster. I remember a few months ago on the poles by Starbucks on Gov and Yates someone stuck up a poster that was not advertising any event, it was more just a piece of art. Hush didn't go out that week and the pieces of art managed to stay up all week. This is the kind of postering environment we could have here in Victoria. If Hush just joined in and respected everyone else's space then it would be so much easier for not just the employees and clients of Metropol but everyone who supports the local scene. - Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:23am | ||
| [+} User Info... | something definitely needs to happen regarding HUSH's postering methods.. because it is definitely not working. perhaps some government intervention could occur here, steve. (ps. i'll make sure that Don get's in touch with you tonight.) - Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:58am | ||
| crybaby User Info... | If you're walking downtown and see a pole that has been abused by Hush's postering methods, tear their damn posters down! Don't go to Hush, don't support them. I hate to have to say these things but there comes a point when actions speak stronger than threads on Live Vic. Gov't intervention is not realistic, who's going to enforce something like that? Do we really need to spend our tax dollars on this? - Fri, 11 Jun 2004 9:08am | ||
| Metropol Steve User Info... | I just re-read this thread. It was a exactly a month ago that Brent from Hush agreed to only put up one poster, per pole. He has yet to do this. Today they put up four per pole, covering the entire pole with three events, covering 24 different posters on a corner with three different posters - again. I wasted my entire afternoon and 300 posters getting some representation for my clients. They won't even return my calls anymore. Anybody got any fresh ideas? Steve - Fri, 2 Jul 2004 8:06pm | ||
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| The Wolf User Info... | How about complaining to the owner of 'ush ...use Brents own words against him...Quote "he is an owner..I am just a manager..so I have someone to answer to... brent" ...maybe the owner would see stuff differently - Sun, 4 Jul 2004 7:39am | ||
| mew User Info... | If you surveyed the people at the event, I wonder how many of them were there, or heard about the event because of some flyer on a pole downtown?? -just a girl reading this long thread - Sun, 4 Jul 2004 2:58pm | ||
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