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Copyright Law Changes Could Leave Consumers Vulnerable
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| _Griphin_ User Info... | http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2007/01/11/copyright-canada.html With changes to Canada's copyright laws expected as early as next month, these mundane 21st century activities could theoretically be open to prosecution — unless the Conservative government steps in with expanded "fair use" or "fair dealing" protections for consumers. - Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:15pm | ||
| Shaggy User Info... | Highly unlikely anyone will ever be prosecuted. I only had to read the 1st line of the article to realise that. They'd need an entirely new police force (read SS) to even start dealing with home recorders or people who backup their CD's/DVD's. And in actuality, they can change the copyright law, but it's the distributor/publisher that makes the final decission to change their current EULA's. - Sun, 14 Jan 2007 4:02pm | ||
| andy hank User Info... | I'm surprised at how weak that CBC report is. This gives a lot more detail and provides links to more info. http://www.boingboing.net/2007/01/11/canadas_about_to_hav.html and here's another site that came up when I googled Bev Oda's campaign contributors: http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/1313/125/ (yeah, I know it's just a blog, but you get the idea) While you may scoff at how this may affect us, it's only the first step in the errosion of our privacy rights. They're not talking about some new DRM shit on your CD or DVD, they want access to your internet provider's logs so they can start sueing music downloaders RIAA-style. - Sun, 14 Jan 2007 8:19pm | ||
| Shaggy User Info... | And? If you're not doing anything illegal with torrents/usenet etc where's the issue? The artists and production companies/publishers have the right to make a profit just like any other business. Theft is theft. - Sun, 14 Jan 2007 9:22pm | ||
| andy hank User Info... | Sorry, but that "If you're not breaking the law what do you have to hide?" arguement doesn't fly with me - that same line has been used on Americans in the gradual erosion of their rights and freedoms in the last five years. I'd hate to see the same tactics used in Canada. The music industry's antiquated business model aside, I'd rather not have someone saying what is OK and not OK for me to download, browse, or who I can communicate with online. And that's where I see this law going. If you want to talk about theft, look at this: http://www.negativland.com/albini.html - Mon, 15 Jan 2007 5:22am Edited: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 5:22am | ||
| Shaggy User Info... | Sorry mate. We're not americans and do not gain the same rights since our charter of freedoms isn't even remotely like the constitution. I suggest to study the charter, you'd be surprised what rights you allready don't have, especially in regards to freedom of speech. Either way, you can't spin anything to dodge the fact it's theft. Do you walk into stores and just grab items off the shelves/racks and walk out without paying? There are terms of agreements on every CD and tape you buy. Don't like the terms? Don't buy the product and expect to be able to break a legally enforceable contract. It's no different, other than the percieved notion of anonimity on the net (which isn't even remotely true), regardless of the spin you attempt to put on it. As for who you can and can't communicate with online, the world changed 9/11 you can thank our friends in the middle east for that. And your ISP has every right to tell you what you can and can't download, and even in some instances view. You agree to terms and conditions when you sign up for any ISP. It's a service, and they have every right to enforce those terms and conditions, especially if it means a loss of revenue by not bowing to the governing bodies. Your ISP isn't your friend, they're a business. I know more than a few people that have lost their accounts on Shaw for downloading movies. That's all that happens when the governing body that deals with the film industry gets involved. Learn from mistakes or end up with no online access. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out. - Mon, 15 Jan 2007 9:43am | ||
| andy hank User Info... | Shaggy, busy at work but a couple of points: I never said we have the same rights as Americans, just that we face a potential LOSS of privacy as they have in recent years. Pls. spare me the go read the charter speech, and save the downloading is theft arguement for someone else. While Shaw, to use your example, has extensive terms and conditions for in their susbscriber agreement I've yet to hear of any Shaw subscriber having their account revoked for downloading movies (unless they were breaking child porn laws in which case they'd end up in jail, not just having their account suspended). A more likely story is that those people exceeded the bandwidth limitations imposed by Shaw, ignored their warnings and had their accounts pulled. That and traffic shaping (eg - throttling torrent bandwidth) are within their rights as a provider. I think Shaw would rather maintain a hands off approach regarding content and focus on making money. Having to provide logs of their network usage to regulatory bodies is going to end up costing them money instead. - Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:49am | ||
| Shaggy User Info... | The way I look at it is this. Freedoms carry with it responsibilities. Freedoms are not just a given for me. If you like the freedoms we have then act responsibly. Do I agree that they should change the law to such a broad extent like going after people who backup their own purchased CD's and DVD's? No. That's taking it way too far. I know at least 10 people who've lost their accounts, permanently, on Shaw both in BC and in Alberta for sharing movies. It had nothing to do with going over their caps since even after 3 warnings Shaw only diables the account for 7 days. These people outright were told 'You're account is permanently closed'. They can never use their own name to apply for a Shaw account..ever, and in some instances they've even gone as far as to flag the CC that the account was payed for with. Too bad mom and dad, I just screwed you over bigtime because, as most youth feel, I'm invincible. Nobody can do anything to me. - Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:59am | ||
| andy hank User Info... | The way I look at it is this. Freedoms carry with it responsibilities. Freedoms are not just a given for me. If you like the freedoms we have then act responsibly. Do I agree that they should change the law to such a broad extent like going after people who backup their own purchased CD's and DVD's? No. That's taking it way too far. Agreed. That's the first I've ever heard of Shaw doing that. Sucks to be them. - Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:15am Edited: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:16am | ||
| Shaggy User Info... | Telus is even worse andy. They might not enforce their caps, but they sure don't like dealing with regulatory body lawyers threatening multi-million/billion dollar lawsuits either. If the MPAA is using questionable tactics, like seeding bait files to gather IP addresses, then you can pretty much guarantee Canada's equvalents are doing the same. and if the MPAA/CRIA are doing it so are other industries with similar copyright laws and regulations. Edit: Just thought I'd add. This is all going to force sharing back to it's roots. Private FTP servers. But those can cause problems as well in regards to the caps that Shaw uses. Telus not so much, but does happen on occasion. - Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:31am Edited: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:34am | ||
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