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Help InSite: Vote Now in News 1130 Poll
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| ska-t User Info... | Help InSite: Vote Now in News 1130 Poll Should the federal government continue to support the supervised injection site? http://www.news1130.com/ - Thu, 24 May 2007 3:07am | ||
| ska-t User Info... | more info: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2372060949 VICTORIA NEEDS 3 SITES: http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/story.html?id=68ec3604-9ad3-43e8-bece-7a3ff2c12742&k=35508 - Thu, 24 May 2007 3:14am | ||
| bbjones User Info... | Victoria needs none. No city does. Send the junkies here: http://www.sanpatrignano.org/page.php?catid=214 Or here: http://www.theofficialjohncarpenter.com/pages/themovies/ny/ny.html - Thu, 24 May 2007 5:07pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | DEFINATELY NO INJECTION SITES ID RATHER EVERYONE PASSED HIV AND HEP C ALONG TO MORE PEOPLE SO THEY CAN INFECT MORE PEOPLE AS WELL!!! YES!!! - Thu, 24 May 2007 6:46pm Edited: Thu, 24 May 2007 6:49pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | .......how about a LETHAL INJECTION site. - Fri, 25 May 2007 11:54am | ||
| Chopper User Info... | That'd work Trevor! - Fri, 25 May 2007 4:58pm | ||
| J User Info... | San Patrignano, DaJ's new safe haven for his propoganda!!!!! - Sat, 2 Jun 2007 1:58pm | ||
| Sati User Info... | You guys obviously don't live in Vancouver... wtf? - Sat, 2 Jun 2007 2:40pm | ||
| J User Info... | i love you mainlanders. Just because your part of the big land mass of north america doesn't make your problems any worse than ours. I realise that the addiction problems in vancouver(particularly the east side) can be and are very bad. I cant go 2 days without walking past someone's reminants of their last bump or even seeing them inject. Im sure in vancouver you couldn't go 1 block(in some places) without seeing the same thing. But what makes vancouver any worse than victoria? The fact that vancouver is larger? more people? But with saying that, dont' you think that problems like yours are overshadowed by those of even larger cities in North America(ie, new york, LA, montreal, toronto). I find it funny that vancouver residents seem to separate themselves from everyone else and say "hey, we have a big problem here!!?! hello?!?!?"; when everyone else in other cities have to deal with much of the same issues, again maybe not on such a huge scale; never the less they still HAVE to deal with it. Just remember Nanaimo; while its not that big, has the most malls per capita in canada(or at least had that title). So it goes to show, just because your from the "big city" doesn't make problems any different. - Sat, 2 Jun 2007 4:11pm | ||
| Sati User Info... | I don't actually think our problems are much different, but from reading LiveVic it seems like a lot of you guys consider yourselves completely seperated from the problem. You speak as if the scum OUT THERE are to be exterminated. I honestly think that you guys come off like a bunch of rich kids living with your parents in gated communities or something. Here I run into real people who've been addicts and have come out of it only to contribute to society in meaningful ways. You guys stomping all over addicts means that you'd have stomped over those who've since become some of my favorite people too. I wish I could list them here along with what they're about now to show you. It just hurts reading here sometimes. - Sat, 2 Jun 2007 4:25pm | ||
| J User Info... | you seem to miss my point... as much good as your friends do, there are others out there giving them a bad name. How can you speak for everyone when you only know some? That seems to me like we as people on the island are being judged because we aren't afraid to tell you how we think. Im not saying your friends are the bain of our exsistance, but for the one's(addicts) out there that do nothing but fuck with their bodies and lives; I have absolutely no feeling for them and nor should you. Im sorry if you dont agree, but we obveously come from different backgrounds. Just remember different strokes for different folks. What i was trying to illustrate is that YOUR problem in vancouver is much the same as here. Now how do you think I feel being called a rich 'kid'*(far from being a kid unfortunately) in a gated community? probly just the same as your good friends being associated with the scum of the earth. I dont judge people; i judge stereotypes. And of that, I dont make stereotypes; i just see them. - Sat, 2 Jun 2007 5:28pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | I wasn't talking about extermination, I was talking about assisted suicide. Addiction is one thing, walking dead zombie tweak machines is another. These folks have lost their humanity. Abandoned by society. Allowing them to wallow and die slow degrading deaths is a crime. I went to a few funerals in the nineties. You "run into real people", I am real people, and I say this situation is completely out of hand. Yes people can recover to lead productive lives. Safe injection sites might clean up the latrine around the needle exchange. They might extend a junkies life long enough to allow them to change their life. So yeah, go for it, but don't expect to much sympathy from this message board. We all make a choice every day, a choice to not be a self centered, family wreaking junkie bitch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAzneha4KC4 - Mon, 4 Jun 2007 12:07am Edited: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 1:24am | ||
| KnifeGhost User Info... | The situation _is_ completely out of hand, and that's why we need safe injection sites. It's amazing how many people hate seeing drug users kicking around in the streets but are completely hostile to constructive ways of dealing with the issue. The way out is through -- to make a real difference in the drug problem, we have to let people be who they are and where they are today. Expecting them to clean up before we give them support is like saying "ok, we'll help you solve your problem, but first you have to solve your problem." It doesn't work that way. edited to add: BJJ, San Patrignano looks like an amazing place. Those are the kinds of examples we should be looking to for solutions. - Mon, 4 Jun 2007 2:14am Edited: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 2:16am | ||
| J User Info... | 'said person' has to want help before they can 'get help'. Are we supposed to stop to every person we consider a drug addict and "help them out"? Obveously not. Its also not that 'they' have to work their problem out before 'we' provide help, its basic choice they have to make... continue like this or get help(to me that would be the only hurdle an addict has to do themselves)? I would have nothing wrong if addicts did their part to say "hey i need help!!!!" rather than sitting on a corner waiting for pity to come to them. Again, I have to say that while its a calloused opinion and I know that not every addict is the same; but when i work my ass off for what i have, and i see people sittin on the street claiming no help comes to them; when clearly they do nothing to seek the help they need. If I feel sick, I go to a doctor to SEEK HELP. If I had problems mentally; I would try my best to find the help I need. What makes a drug addict any different from any of us that actually go out and seek the help we need? Aside from the lifestyle difference the principal, to me, is the same. If you need help; GO AND GET IT. Yes, I realise this is why we need safe injection sites; but the last thing we need is a place where certain drug addicts take that as the next "blunt bros." for needle addicts. I dont have the time to take out of my life to help every single addict I see; but if this safe injection site does work, then I think we should try 1 and go from there. To prevent our earned tax dollars from ending up in a fast ferry fiasco-like problem with safe injection sites(cuz if they fail, who the hell would buy them from us? lol) - Mon, 4 Jun 2007 11:14am | ||
| SickFuk User Info... | Last night, as I walking down to Sev on Douglas and Johnson for a coffee, I was only witness to one junkie... right out front of chapters, with her skirt hiked up injecting into her femoral arterie... This is actually pretty mellow compared to what I'm used to seeing on my nightly 3am walk.... in the last couple of weeks I've had a crackhead blatantly interrupt me talking to one of my coworkers, and when I told him to fuck off, he pulled a knife out on me... Another time I was in McChucks on View and this methhead was flipping out at the staff because they wouldn't refill the cup he'd picked up off the street, then proceeded to get violent when they told him to leave.... But enough ranting about that.... As for the safe injection sites... take the example of a similar thing, the Needle Exchange... Back a couple of years ago, when I was delivering for an escort service, I had to go down there once in a while to get a shitwhack of condoms from them... pretty much every time I went there, there was at least 1 person standing at the door selling some kind of drug... I'd expect about the same from a free injection site... Although I agree that some of them are worth saving, the majority aren't... in fact, they're walking health hazards since a large portion of the downtown junkies currently have a very volatile Staph infection going around... Alot of them simply drop their needles whereever they land when they're done with them... It's pretty common to see an arterial spray across a wall or sidewalk, which is quite likely to be infected with one of many different nasty infections... What happens when an innocent person trips on the sidewalk, and puntures their hand with a syringe?... if they get to the hospital quickly, they'll inject you with a anti-biotic cocktail that might save you from contracting AIDS or Hep C... Really, junkies are simply pollution... a hazardous element of our environment... There was just a warning sent out that there's a new brand of heroin out there in Vic laced with Ketamine, which combined with the heroin makes them violent... just what we need, violent people with infectious blood and lots of open sores... lovely... k, enough ranting 'ere - Mon, 4 Jun 2007 12:19pm Edited: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 12:23pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | It blows my mind that the escort agencies are to cheap to buy their own condoms. Safe injection sites are some what of a cop out. Why not provide dental and nutritional care so they can think more clearly, oh and while your at it, how about HOUSING. I'd rather shoot up in the privacy of my own home. - Mon, 4 Jun 2007 2:18pm Edited: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 2:19pm | ||
| BBJones User Info... | http://www.sanpatrignano.org/page.php?catid=214 is an amazing place. I don't know tons about it, but have watched a documentary on it. Probably the most amazing social solution to a common problem I've ever seen on this planet. Why this even connected with me was becuase it was a Canadian documentary about the junkies in Ontario. They have much less sophisticated program there (can't remember the name or anything) but it was a small version of San Pat. Kind of like a teeny-tiny townhouse complex. You had to be a junkie to get in (and you get to live and contribute there while you clean up). But if you fuck up, you're out. Obviously much more to say about it but it was an amazing thing to see being done in this country. The show was about the kid from Ontario who got to go to San Pat's for 5 years or something like that. The documentary followed him through the entire cycle. If you care at all about this problem I highly recommend you find out about San Pat and any related programs in Canada. Or, send your junkie friends there. I wasn't kidding. I walk the streets here and in Van and can't understand why the local cities are so retardedly stupid about how they deal with it. That is partly why I'm not really in favour of the needle exchange. But hey, it should help from at least one angle. Too bad it will also likely cause more problems. You need the whole solution, not part of it. No one will disagree there... but how the hell do you get local decision makers (or Federal) to actually do something about it? The frustrating thing is that the solution is already out there, already proven and needs no innovation (the hard part) to implement. It just needs to be done. - Mon, 4 Jun 2007 5:15pm Edited: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 5:17pm | ||
| J User Info... | I dont think that the same policies of San Pat. would work for Canada. Where exactly to do expect to put an area, like san pat., in Canada? Addicts are already rejected everywhere no matter what; so you'd have to find someplace remote and out of the public eye. So they can rehabilitate and re-join the society that once cast them out. San Pat. looks great and Im sure has worked for countless people, but at the end of the day its another rehab site, allbeit probly the largest rehab project in the world, its still just a rehab program. So who's gunna pay for this rehab program? - Tue, 5 Jun 2007 9:39am | ||
| BBJones User Info... | Did you read more than the URL, J? Seriously... And who said it needs to be in Canada? What's wrong with supporting the one in Italy? Open your mind a little. Difficult problems will not be resolved with everyday reactions. - Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:10am | ||
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