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Victoria Postering Clampdown (Serious)
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| Chris Logan User Info... | I figured this was serious enough for a new postering thread. As I've mentioned in lots of other posts, in Victoria the venue is ultimately held responsible for any illegal postering done for an event on their premises, whether or not they consented to or even knew about it. In the past this normally meant a fine, which we at Thursdays have eaten a couple of times just because it was too much trouble to hunt down the perpetrators, or because we knew they didn't have 100 cents, let alone dollars. We don't do any illegal postering ourselves--which we means we hardly do any postering at all (see the other poster thread). The situation has changed--radically. Last week one of my partners had a meeting with a representative from Victoria Bylaw Enforcement. This guy advised us that from now on, if they received complaints about posters for shows at Thursdays they would take away our business licence. You might want to read that sentence over again. Now, we haven't had the best luck fighting City Hall, but I'm sure this applies to all the other music venues in town, as well. What it means to us is that from now on we're going to have to get a signed agreement from any musicians or promoters putting on a show here that they won't poster illegally, and will be held liable for any fines or penalties if they do so. We have to get it in writing to cover our asses, although I'd be much happier with a handshake and an agreement to follow the bylaws, no matter how witless, draconian, small-minded, and short-sighted they may be. - Tue, 4 Feb 2003 1:53am | ||
| skeptic | i'd look into the legal leg the city is trying to stand on in making such a threat are they just blowing smoke? alot of bylaws don't stand up if they get tested in court. I know they have alot of policies that are based on a balance of probabilities of what people will do. Like mailing a parking ticket summons, for example. You can't be served a summons in the mail and be considered served, and they know this. So if you don't show up for the court date, the case has to be dropped as you were not served. Enough people pay the ticket at the point of receiving the summons, that it is a sound game for them to play financially. - Tue, 4 Feb 2003 2:23am | ||
| Chris Logan User Info... | I understand your point, and I don't imagine the City is saying they'll pull our licence after one infraction (though who the hell knows). What I do know is that the City issues the licence, and they can pull it. It might be possible to fight it in court, but our experience of fighting bylaws in court is...how shall I put it? Not so good. - Tue, 4 Feb 2003 2:42am | ||
| Anonymous | when's the meeting? - Tue, 4 Feb 2003 3:48am | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | If this is legal of them and can be upheld in court and does apply to only inside of the City Of Victoria then outside is cool(Saanich, Oak Bay, Esquimo, Lang Lang, etc...), and then we're laffin'! We don't cross the bridges or enter the Red Zone. Fuckin' blood suckers. - Tue, 4 Feb 2003 5:19am | ||
| Metropol User Info... | The underlying problem in this issue is that the hydro poles don't belong to the City of Victoria - they are property of BC Hydro. The City defends the space on behalf of BC Hydro, policed under the same by-laws that protect YOUR property. The solution to this problem is actually quite simple - we get more poles. Both City Councilor Rob Fleming and Senior By-Law Enforcement Officer Dan Scoones are responsive to this idea. At the meeting on Sunday, every promoter there unanimously agreed to put up "one poster, per event, per pole". If we can get many of the other promoters and bar owners to comply, we have greatly reduced the paper used and have therefore addressed the City's primary concern on the issue. Now they can address ours and supply some more cylinders. Key poster areas sanctioned by the City in strategic locations will alleviate the need to poster on hydro poles. If there's a cylinder on it - no by-law has been broken. I've been in touch with Malcolm from S.O.S. Productions about drafting up this proposal to the city. I'm more than happy to present it, as I have had some success with the City of late. We should talk this week Chris - so I can get your concerns in there. Steve Webb Metropol EPS http://www.moondude.tv - Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:12am | ||
| Value for Effort | My Daddy always said Value for Effort son and I wonder if anyone has considered how effective postering actually is? Verses taking the money spent on the whole poster thing and say placing an ad for your event in Monday Mag or increasing the size of an already exsisting ad. Both tne New VI and Chek will put many events on the enterainment news and Zone and CFUV give many events great support. I think that most Victorians get their entertainment info from TV, TC, or Monday not from a pole on the street corner. Furthermore, unless your on foot you will never see a poster on a pole, I mean who are we trying to reach with these pole posters? I think the Effort you are all putting into this is not going to return the Value you are looking for. And although I appreciate Steve�s bizness accumen.....there is a better way to spend our energy, and too many alternatives to paper posters. Think on Y�all - Tue, 4 Feb 2003 2:11pm | ||
| MiltonBradley User Info... | I don't know about everyone else, but even though I drive and I live 30 mins out of victoria, I have gone to more than one show due to a poster I saw. Eventually most people have a reason to venture out on these things called legs, and if your waiting for a light to change, a bus to come, etc., chances are you are going to look at what is on the posters. Also when I see a poster for a show that I can't go to, but I know someone who would be interested, I pass on the information. I could be the only person in the world who does this, but I doubt it. - Tue, 4 Feb 2003 2:27pm | ||
| RSBF | hey Brad, i have to agree with you on that one. i'm so freaking busy that sometimes the only time i'm outside is when i'm in my car driving to a meeting or something. i probably need glasses from spending so much time on the computer but i can still read the posters from my car at a light - sometimes even while i'm driving. getting rid of postering completely, would be like taking the fighting away from hockey...... as bad and irrelevant as both may seem at times. i do however believe that the amount of posters being printed and posted needs to go WAAAaaaay down. at the meeting at Thursday's Pub, i was shocked to hear the numbers. - Tue, 4 Feb 2003 2:41pm | ||
| Chris Logan User Info... | I appreciate the interest, but most of you seem to be missing the point. What the city has told us is that they will PULL OUR BUSINESS LICENCE if they receive complaints about posters for shows at our venue. It's fun to talk about, and complain about--in our experience, the city closes down without questions. - Tue, 4 Feb 2003 6:08pm | ||
| RSBF | bottom line is we need to make sure stuff like that does not happen - we need to be responsible and i agree with the venues covering their butts - without them we have nowhere to play, nowhere to see good bands and have a good time. - Tue, 4 Feb 2003 6:34pm | ||
| jay brown User Info... | The city can pull your fucking license for pretty much anything they want. No fucking around here, if they want to do it they can. You can argue that all you want but it is a fact. I know this cause I've worked in a few clubs where this became an issue and there was fuck all we could do other that bend over and take whatever they wanted to do to us. It's one of those situations where they say jump and you say, how high? - Tue, 4 Feb 2003 6:44pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Were there boundries set on the City Of Victoria's jurisdiction? Just inside the downtown core or does this reach into the municipalities? Does this one poster per pole thing still allow us all to poster wherever we need to? If so, then there shouldn't be a problem. I don't think most bands bother with downtown because the second a poster goes up, it is covered by another one. - Tue, 4 Feb 2003 7:14pm | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | This issue is as old as the hills. Way back in about 1982 I used to co-own Richard's records and we sold tickets for local gigs as well as everything else. When one overzealous band plastered posters all over town one day we were told that WE were responsable for it and would be charged $40 a poster for each one that had to be removed. When I pointed out that it would be difficult at best to prove that the posters were in fact anything to do with us I was told that it didn't matter, we would still be billed about $2000. I then said, fine, I'm going to put up posters all over town announcing various local initiatives and put the mayor's name on each one; the logic being that since the only name on the poster that could be connected to anything was the mayor's HE would recieve the $40 per poster bill that went with the removal of each poster. I mentioned that the bylaw officer's name could be used, or anyone's for that matter and that if this ridiculous precedent were set in Victoria there would be no end to the mischief possible. We won the case but were out a few hundred dollars in legal expenses. This threat could be used again; for instance when the new arena gets built and they have the grand opening, plaster the city with (ugly) posters advertising the event. The prevailing logic is that the new arena would lose it's business license. Wouldn't that be fun! Or the Symphony Splash. The United way. The possibilities are endless, the absurdity of the situation obvious. - Wed, 5 Feb 2003 3:38am | ||
| Anonymous | Holy shit Zippgunn, you're an old fucker! Now a lot of your old posts make sense as to why you're so ANAL RETENTIVE, how bout some Metamucil or Ex-Lax old man? - Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:24am | ||
| Livevic Scott User Info... | Mr.Hell - The one poster per poll rule is for the downtown core, and it's not something the city told us to do its something a large number of the promoters and bar owners agreed to on their own terms. However there's a 0 posters per poll rule for all hydro polls (thats anything you use a staple gun for). And I don't think its just a city of Victoria thing I think it also goes for the outside districts. Zipgun - You got an interesting idea, and it might be fun to mount a fake venue poster campaign. However it dosen't really help Thursdays at this point in time being that if a band is playing there, the name "THURSDAYS" is gonna be on the poster. Hence they might loose their licence. I think what Chris is trying to say is "if your playing our venue , don't put up 3 billion posters on non legal polls or we'll get shut down" And I think the same request would be comming from Soundgarden, Steamers, Lucky or anyone else. - Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:51am | ||
| SoundGarden User Info... | We have recieved the same threat and were on the verge of not even recieving a business licence due to the postering issue. We too have to draw up a written agreement to cover our asses and not get shut down. The whole thing totally sucks but if we make a change we can get more places to poster and advertise without getting in trouble. I know it's a tough selling point but we aren't being given a choice (although I have to say that now the ONLY posters I've seen all over the place are the INGY's!!!!! wtf?) Here's the thing though, instead of spending the money on posters (like most bands do) I know that for us, if a band wanted to take the money they would have spent on posters for all the illegal polls and put it toward a larger section of the monday mag ad specific to their show we would be for that and we'd still take care of the postering downtown. Just a thought... Hey chris where were ya btw? Wanted to meet you! - Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:58pm | ||
| Livevic Scott User Info... | Also feel free to use some of that cash (even 10 bux) and buy a livevic ad .... the site could use a little support as hosting does not payfor itself. We get 1000+ hits a day and its all people looking for music to go watch, and your ad will only show up to people who are interested in the style of music included in the show your playing! - Wed, 5 Feb 2003 2:26pm | ||
| Ty Stranglehold User Info... | We could go covert. If we could somehow come up with a fake venue name for each real venue in town, we could poster till the cows come homw. I guess we just need to figure out how to let the music fans know what it what... - Wed, 5 Feb 2003 5:11pm | ||
| SoundGarden User Info... | That's true too! Sorry Scott I wasn't thinking... - Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:10pm | ||
| The Voice Of Reason | yeah...Change the names! Soundgarden = Noisebush thursdays = Wednesdays Lucky = Fortunate Steamers = Foggies - Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:13pm | ||
| RSBF | those were too funny - still laughing ; ) good job! - Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:22am | ||
| wtf? | thats flippin' brilliant!! ya change the names of all the venues on the posters...then..all the people your trying to target with those posters...will be totally fucking lost and clueless as to who's playing where....i can't speak for eveyone...but i check two places when i'm looking for shows...right here on this site, and the monday mag. the people that i know who go to many shows in this town are generally "in the know" about who is playing where, rarely does a poster alert me to a band i haven't already seen advertised in the former mentioned spots. - Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:33am | ||
| helonwheels User Info... | I totally agree with WTF. I always check out Monday Mag and LiveVic for gigs. LiveVic gives you the benefit of being able to see the upcoming shows way in advance which is super cool for all of your party planning pleasures. Typically with Monday you're getting less than a weeks notice. - Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:45am | ||
| Dave Noisy User Info... | hmm.. Monday and LiveVic are great for people who live here and know where to look, but for someone who's just in town for a few days, wandering the downtown core, it's not going to do much. Chris - this bylaw sounds quite draconian..what happens if i get pissed off at 'Foggies' and put up posters for an event around town, do they lose their licence? I think Zippgunn might be onto something with the bylaws. How feasible would it be to start some sort of non-profit postering committee that oversaw poster in the city? This way there's a neutral body putting up posters (they'd pay for people to do it), and everyone just goes through them? Maybe the city would fund this project, it'd keep them organized looking, which they like.. I can think of a bunch of reasons why this wouldn't work, but hey, this is brainstorming, right? As well, i'd like to make sure the posters are recycled, many times i've seen them in the trash..not good. If it's more organized, this is much more likely. - Dave - Thu, 6 Feb 2003 1:17am | ||
| Metropol User Info... | Hi Dave - Your idea sound grand - except for the non-profit part (business is business). I agree that it would make the most sense to have a business to regulate the postering. In fact, I loved it so much I'm going to start a company called "Metropol" and offer reasonable, environmentally conscious postering in downtown Victoria. I'm going to address the issues related to wide-spread postering and petition the city to get more space for everyone. I'm going to celebrate the commercial art of postering like they do on this site and on http://www.gigposters.com and hold an art show of the best posters each year. I am going to send out a weekly newsletter to all the promoters and bar owners (and other interested parties) covering what's happening in our entertainment community. I'm going to look at the recycling issue and explore ways to reduce the amount of paper we put in the landfill. And I'm going to start all this this on February 17. Thanks! http://www.moondude.tv /metropol Steve Webb Metropol EPS (250) 595-2899 [email protected] P.S. As for the main issue of this thread - it wouldn't be a such an issue if we had regulated space on some hydo poles outside of downtown. This is in the works. I plan to stand before City Council in a few weeks with a proposal based on some ideas of Matt Laundry (High Tide), Malcolm (S.O.S.), and Scott (livevictoria). If anyone else has some concerns (Chris - we must talk) I'd appreciate it and include them in the proposal. I'll be writing it online - check http://www.moondude.tv for updates starting next week. - Thu, 6 Feb 2003 1:54pm | ||
| Ent-Ausserung | Our posters are undefeatable. - Thu, 6 Feb 2003 2:35pm | ||
| King Meat | Yeah gallows end is as huge as my penis! (oh........wait......) - Thu, 6 Feb 2003 2:56pm | ||
| Naive Band Monkey | So is it just illegal on poles??? What about bus stops and stuff??? Maybe there's enough alternatives like schools, rec centres, skate parks, etc... - Thu, 6 Feb 2003 3:22pm | ||
| Chris Logan User Info... | "So is it just illegal on poles??? What about bus stops and stuff???" It's technically illegal everywhere except for the poles downtown with the metal cylinders on them, and of course on the few community bulletin boards like the one in Fernwood Square. The city is trying to do the same thing the CRD did with the smoking ban--they realized it was impossible for them to enforce directly, so they put the onus on the pub operators to enforce it for them. While I agree with Zippgunn and others that threats like this might be difficult to carry through one by one, we were given the distinct impression that someone has put a stick up council's ass about this particular issue. In the same we we can be held responsible if some jackass has twenty drinks at another bar, comes into our place, has a sip of beer, gets into his car and runs into a tree, the city is saying that we have 'control' over postering for shows at our venue--if they decide to take it out on us, it ain't too hard to truck around and bring in a bunch of posters with 'Thursdays' all over them, whether or not we actually had anything to do with putting them up. I think it's idiotic, but that doesn't mean we can't get screwed. - Thu, 6 Feb 2003 5:39pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | I know it just one or two people complaining. Man, I'd love to get their name and address and make their lives hell. Poster blank paper all over their houses. That should be public record. hehe - Thu, 6 Feb 2003 7:10pm | ||
| Anonymous | if someone loses a cat what do they do? - they go to all the power poles and what do they staple up? hmmmmmmm.... what if the owner of such an ad had a business in town? now I am too polite to make any of the obvious jokes here so I will that to others! - Thu, 6 Feb 2003 9:55pm | ||
| birdbrain | Mr Hell. Big man, eh. Just because people view things differently makes them the enemy? You have allot to learn. Look at all your postes, 90% of the time it is a slag. Accept others opinions, without being a tool the use of a quick comeback. It is about time that this issue has been addressed, i have been around this music scene far to long and it is because of all the desperate attempts to attract attention. How many time have we seen a pole with endless posters for the same show? The idea was to drowned out competition, end of story. They fucked themselves in the process and who gets the blame? The few places in town that put on live shows. - Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:08pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Your name says it all. My comments are in jest. But people who stand in your way in life are inevitably the enemy in some respect, no? Promotion is the be all, end all of a band. To half ass it is stupid. In other news, I always accept other's opinions. Besides me joking around with people I know, give me an example where I am seriously slagging someone on here because of their opinions. Those "90% of the time it's a slag" posts are directed at one, Aaron Clark who is a great friend of mine. We have been doing so to each other for well on 8 years. You are straight up ignorant in your accusations. Prove me wrong. Another thing, what is your real identity, big man? Throwing around accusations such as these should require some identification. - Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:19pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Wrong thread there, Adam. - Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:54pm | ||
| Jo Fancy | There are many great points here, but I definately think that MPOWER are on to something. The solution was right infront of us-an awards show! - Fri, 7 Feb 2003 11:31am | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | Of course what a great idea, get some failed folksinger wannabe manager type from God knows where to put on an awards show spotlighting bands that they wish they could manage at the expense of everyone else in town. Hire an aging has been "radio personality" to (reluctantly) MC and call it a huge success even when nobody shows up. Then the next year, to build on this success, wrap it up in a package with the dreaded "Rocktoria" concept. I'd rather get cancer, thank you. - Fri, 7 Feb 2003 3:20pm | ||
| Dean | I agree with the value of effort guy....while posters are great for downtown and despite the apparent fact that some of the people on this site are dangerous drivers..posters are not really an effective way to get your message out. Let face it, postering is a cheep 1960s way to bring folks into your shows, services like this one(live Vic) and Monday Mag are where people get their info...including the tourists as the mag is offered an many of the hotels in town...lets pick our battles carefully with the city as it is important that we continue to have some excellent live music venues and we WANT TO KEEP THEM OPEN!!! - Sat, 8 Feb 2003 1:29am | ||
| Dean Schwind | Sorry ..just to finish my post... How about some of the smaller promoters banding together to buy a shared ad in Monday? A special rate plus the added savings from banding together. The $40 you each spend to photo copy 1000 posters could be used to place an add that will be seen in 40,000 copies of Monday, plus no extra work or expense to get the posters on the poles...lets face it you KNOW people will see your ad in Monday ...can you say the same about the posters you put up?..I know you can�t, and as the former station manager of cfuv, and the owner of Bottomfeeder Productions I have put on a few shows in Victoria and in my experience...radio ads on cfuv,zone etc., TV listings on Chek ,VI and Shaw, postings on services like Live Vic and ads in Monday, plus the venues own promotions, put people into the clubs.....I have never had someone come up to me and say "I saw your poster @ the corner of Quadra and Bay". Value for Effort is right. If any promoters wish to talk about a joint ad you can contact me @ Monday 382-6188 Good luck All, Dean - Sat, 8 Feb 2003 1:44am | ||
| Lucky Bar User Info... | I guess it's time to throw Lucky's opinions into the fray. The main issue comes down to value. Because there are so few places to post, and so many posting for so many events, it's getting more and more expensive to poster at all - significantly reducing it's value. In December Lucky decided to go hard downtown and see what happens. In the end the bill for postering rivaled that of our traditional advertising. As for the hydro poles, I was at the City Hall 'Good Neighbor Agreement' when they announced the crackdown. They had stacks of posters from hydro poles. Thing is, they didn't collect them themselves. There is a growing number of Victoria residents who tear the posters down and deliver them to City Hall, demanding they do something about them. So the poloticos are transferring the pressure they are getting from uptight (taxpaying & voting) citizens onto us. (Since that meeting Lucky has ceased postering Hydro poles - not to bow down to City Hall, but to avoid fines while we're looking into alternatives.) The main thing that bothers me about this issue is that there are community and political groups out there who need to be able to poster in order to get their message across. They are either too broke or too marginalized or both to afford advertising, but may have something more important to say than which band is playing where. If we continue to clog the poles and bring about these crackdowns, they may lose their voice entirely. Not to mention the environmental ramifications. I missed the meeting at Thursdays but got the gist from people who went. The problem has been around forever. The real solution lies somewhere in the future... with City Hall recognizing the need for far more zoned areas for postering, and with the efforts of those trying to find a way to consolidate the flood of posters going out. But for now, I like the idea of 'One poster per event per pole'. As of tonight Lucky has started to poster according to that policy, until a greater solution can be found. - Sat, 8 Feb 2003 7:06am | ||
| Anonymous | that's a nice idea. I wish it could work, but I don't see it working. it would only take 1 person to take advantage of the rule throughout 1 week to completely bury another persons event promotions. I hate postering downtown. You spend a couple hours doing it and by the time you're done all your posters are covered. its frustrating. It's obvious we need more regulated space. With Lucky, Steamers, Soundgarden, Legends, Sugar, Monty's, etc. One poster per event per pole just isn't enough space. It would only work if there was enough space for every different place's posters could show at the same time. - Sat, 8 Feb 2003 12:04pm | ||
| Lucky Bar User Info... | We know it's not a solution. We're doing it as a show of good faith to show that we want to contribute towards a solution. And it's the only one on the table so far. We do think that it could help in the meantime, though, so we'll keep doing it, regardless of what anyone else does. In addition, since we usually have more than six events at any one time we could poster for (and could therefore cover the poles while keeping to the rule), we'll also limit our runs to one row. One poster per event per pole, no more than one row. For now. (Remember that Atomique posters their own shows as well, many of which are at Lucky.) What you said about it only taking one person to mess up the agreement is true about any solution that's been offered so far - they all require unanimous voluntary compliance. There will always be someone who will take advantage of a situation like that, go rogue and mess it all up. Thing is, if the majority of those in the game agree to the terms, then it will always be easy to single out who is violating them. A good example is the way we used to do it in London, ON. (Abour six years ago - i don't know what it's like there now.) There, all the poles are wooden, and there are no restrictions. You can stick 20 or more posters per pole, from the bottm to as high as you can reach. The unspoken agreement was that people generally posted no more than two of the same poster per pole (one on each side), and didn't cover other people's events until they were done. And everyone postered for themselves. IF you found that someone was covering your or anyone else's events, you took down their poster and showed it to anyone else postering that you ran into on your run - whether you knew them or not. They in turn told the next person, etc etc, and eveyone would take the violator's posters down while they were out putting up theirs. Anyone who covered posters learned quickly that it was useless to do so. At one point, a big club covered EVERYONE's posters, taking up all the space on every pole. Their posters were delivered back to them in garbage bags. Of course, we can't utilize the same system here, because of the lack of space. But it's going to be something along those lines - the idea of looking out for each other in order to protect our own interests - that will eventually work. Long post. - Sat, 8 Feb 2003 4:15pm | ||
| virge User Info... | that's the smartest thing i've heard all day. - Sat, 8 Feb 2003 10:11pm | ||
| Metropol User Info... | Just a reminder - Metropol's downtown poster service starts on February 17 (That's a week from Monday). Metropol has been established as a registered business to offer a consolidated poster service to all the promoters, event planners and bar owners in Victoria. Metropol can advertise 18 events everyday. By postering each event on every second pole 14 times a week (with the pole placement alternating from morning to evening run), we can advertise your event on every pole, every day for a little as 10 cents a poster or $2.50 a run (plus your duplication costs). Metropol offers the most cost-efficient, environmentally conscious method to poster in Victoria. Plus, Metropol operates with an office space, dedicated phone line, website and three employees - so you can be assured that we're not going anywhere anytime soon. Steamers has signed on for a long-term contract. We urge those of you who poster on a large scale to do the same. It's a step in the right direction. Check out http://www.moondude.tv /metropol for more details. Steve Webb [email protected] (250) 884-6944 - Sun, 9 Feb 2003 3:22pm | ||
| old hippie | why don�t all the promoters get together and print a Bill Grahm, live at the Filmore, style hand bill to advertise all of the shows every week..one poster for all....less paper, no space fights, city is happy. Just a thought Peace - Sun, 9 Feb 2003 3:43pm | ||
| Anonymous | Steve, how can you not consider yourself a monopoly in the making? I think there should be an unbiased non-profit organization taking over here especially considering the fact that this is a government/societal issue. - Sun, 9 Feb 2003 3:44pm | ||
| Metropol User Info... | Everyone always has the right to poster on the poles. I am offering a service to those who have the resources to poster in high-volume the ability to consolidate their poster efforts. I realised the largest problem we face in the poster war is when a major poster contract gets turned over. A new poster person is often new to the city, does not know anyone in the industry and does not have the insight or experience to uphold the "unspoken rules of postering". They break the rules, people get pissed off, it starts all over again. The only way to deal with this is to set up a company that can handle these contracts over the long term. Then the job will always get done and the communication lines stay open. Non-profit? You should see the numbers involved. This business is about as non-profit as it gets. Yes, I do stand to make money administering it in when my start-up costs are covered - in about 14 months. In the meantime, I do it because I care. - Sun, 9 Feb 2003 4:08pm | ||
| Dave Noisy User Info... | Hey Lucky Bar, i just wanted to thank you for recognizing the need to be considerate of social/political groups so they can get their word out. As an activist i can say it sure as hell is frustrating to know how futile it is to poster for something, say Food Not Bombs. This is part of the reason i suggested a non-profit group to take over downtown (and other pole) postering. Sure, they make money, but if run appropriately the excess could be used to fund promo for non-profits. And as ?? wrote, this is a not a 'business' problem, per se. Steve - what can you offer to non-profit groups? Here's an idea...i doubt it will be very popular, but how about putting up one poster a week, with a listing of who's playing that week? Or even just 2-3 posters listing multiple nites? It's not as eye-catching, but it's more considerate and (hopefully) another step in the right direction. It's really encouraging to see a positive and progressive reaction from you guys, i was on an email list a few years ago trying to resolve this problem in Toronto, and no one wanted to do anything different from what they were doing. Good stuff. - Sun, 9 Feb 2003 7:00pm | ||
| Metropol User Info... | Hi Dave. I don't want to make a blanket statement here; but if I have space in a poster run available, and I can contribute to a non-profit event by putting up their posters at little or no cost, I would do it. Dependent of course on the event and the non-profit group. Metropol is interested in being a contributing and valuable member of Victoria's entertainment community. Steve Webb Metropol EPS - Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:26am | ||
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